LA officer 'kicks suspect in head'

robmanic1

He was clearly resisting!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8049689.stm

STEFANOS4784

That'll learn 'im

Why can't they kick some of these scavenging M.P's :?

zedders

Of course he was clearly resisting? He made off, failed to stop, ran away? That's evading/resisting arrest in my book. And as the reporter said. He kicked him in the ''shoulder.''

If it were me I would have kicked him two or three times. And if I had a Police dog I'd let that loose round his balls as well.

Stewie Griffin

I wish our Police gave more scallys a bit of a shoeing sometimes.

dizzydane

Quiet simple, he shouldn't have run....

Anonymous

He had a shoulder mounted gun fired by brain impulse that had a cloaking device.

sicknote

Stewie Griffin wrote:

I wish our Police gave more scallys a bit of a shoeing sometimes.

With the way the law is over here, just like if you do it to someone trying rob you or your house.
You would be locked up and the crim go free :evil:

Anonymous

Sicknote, I can honestly say, hand on heart, that the law is not an ass. The criminal justice system however...

Hang on, standby, some laws are ass-like too come to think of it.

sicknote

NapoleonD

Have to say you are right but how did it get to this in the first place :shock: :?

Anonymous

Too many people making too much money by making the legal system ridiculously complicated...

don key

zedders wrote:

Of course he was clearly resisting? He made off, failed to stop, ran away? That's evading/resisting arrest in my book. And as the reporter said. He kicked him in the ''shoulder.''

If it were me I would have kicked him two or three times. And if I had a Police dog I'd let that loose round his balls as well.

The reporter is a liar and by association you are aswell. The cops had him totally ciovered and set about assaulting him , the dog was introduced to terrify him some more, the second cop was also giving him some. Criminal thugs, the cops that is, anyone who agrees with this method of policing is a thug byassociation (ed) by choosing to be on the side of the thug cops, safe side that is. I do what ever I have to do on the streets and once they are down , thats it ,no more unless they resist.

Or maybe you think you are being funny, either way I don't hold out much if hope for you or any one else who would agree with this thuggery. It is no wonder cops get attackeed (cx) if this is the accepted way of operating, then to be cheered on from the cowardly sidelines.




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crankycrank

I live south of Los Angeles and happened to see the end of that chase as it was happening live on the TV. The guy being arrested had apparently been running for quite some time and I saw him drive up on a pavement, run through numerous red lights and finally drive the wrong way down a road with a concrete divider nearly hitting another car head on and finally swerving and losing control to miss another head on crash and ending up crashing into another car. This is something that happens almost daily in L.A. and even the reporter cautioned the viewers to constantly be on the lookout for police chases. Most of these guys are running because they already did something bad such as stealing the car they're in or robbing a bank or they have illegal weapons in their car (very common here) etc., etc. I'm no fan of the police and some of their tactics but in a case such as this the guy deserved a good kick in the head and then some. Not to mention the fact that guns are commonly carried by many of the crooks here and the reason why a dog and four other cops are necessary to arrest someone. ANY arrest they make can potentially turn into a deadly shooting here. The criminal here gets all the sympathy but it could have ended up, and often does, with an innocent person, a cyclist even, being killed. The fact that people are willing to put up with all these runners to prevent "violating their rights" amazes me. This idiot will probably find a lawyer who will sue the city, and win, because of "police brutality". The person he crashed into will get....probably nothing beyond what their own insurance will pay.

mmitchell88

I am drunk in charge of a keryboard. So please bear with me...

Would the driver have realistically considered my wellbeing had I been cycling along one of those residential streets?

Would I have had time to take evasive action had I been motorcycling along one of the roads he used?

Does the fact that he spreadeagled himself on the grass when he had no other option available to him equate to a full apology for everything that he did while on the run and prior to running from the police?

Nah, didn't think so.

Hence...............

Hang on, does this have anything to do with bikes?

zedders

don key wrote:

zedders wrote:

Of course he was clearly resisting? He made off, failed to stop, ran away? That's evading/resisting arrest in my book. And as the reporter said. He kicked him in the ''shoulder.''

If it were me I would have kicked him two or three times. And if I had a Police dog I'd let that loose round his balls as well.

The reporter is a liar and by association you are aswell. The cops had him totally ciovered and set about assaulting him , the dog was introduced to terrify him some more, the second cop was also giving him some. Criminal thugs, the cops that is, anyone who agrees with this method of policing is a thug byassociation (ed) by choosing to be on the side of the thug cops, safe side that is. I do what ever I have to do on the streets and once they are down , thats it ,no more unless they resist.

Or maybe you think you are being funny, either way I don't hold out much if hope for you or any one else who would agree with this thuggery. It is no wonder cops get attackeed (cx) if this is the accepted way of operating, then to be cheered on from the cowardly sidelines.

WTF???
What I said was slightly Tongue-in-cheek. However Policing has gone soft - which is a shame IMO. Human rights have got in the way haven't they? And because of RH cops rarely act this way. Or show the robustness that in some situation is needed. Unfortunately to many of them worry about being filmed or photgraphed, or receiving a complaint? I suppose you could say they cops were using ''thuggery'' as you put it, if they just went on picked on someone? Or randomly singled someone out. That's what thugs do. Pick on inocent people. Cops sometimes have to arrest nasty people that you wouldn't want to be in ths same room as! Thugs? You must be joking.

The kick was IMO a ''preemptive strike'' (an attack launched as a defensive measure) if you want to get techinical about it, i.e: the kick distracted the thug (i.e the baddy on the floor not the cop) enough for the cop to cuff the ars*hole. When he bent down on the floor the cop put himself in a vulnerable postion, in the thugs personal space. (He could of gone for the cops gun etc). The kick stopped that. & about the dog. Its K9's job to ''terrify'' a suspect? What did you want it to do lick him to death? K9 was doing it's job! What the cops did was completely justified. Simples. I could go on and on, but I won't waste my breathe.

Once cuffed and under control it's completely different. But he wasn't was he?

Finaly - Did you not see him driving the wrong way, crash and run off? He could of killed someone for crying out loud, and you have the cheek to moan about the Police!

Stewie Griffin

mmitchell88 wrote:

I am drunk in charge of a keryboard. So please bear with me...

Would the driver have realistically considered my wellbeing had I been cycling along one of those residential streets?

Would I have had time to take evasive action had I been motorcycling along one of the roads he used?

Does the fact that he spreadeagled himself on the grass when he had no other option available to him equate to a full apology for everything that he did while on the run and prior to running from the police?

Nah, didn't think so.

Hence...............

Hang on, does this have anything to do with bikes?

"To alcohol! The cause of... and solution to... all of life's problems,". +1 on the above though

don key

zedders wrote:

don key wrote:

zedders wrote:

Of course he was clearly resisting? He made off, failed to stop, ran away? That's evading/resisting arrest in my book. And as the reporter said. He kicked him in the ''shoulder.''

If it were me I would have kicked him two or three times. And if I had a Police dog I'd let that loose round his balls as well.

The reporter is a liar and by association you are aswell. The cops had him totally ciovered and set about assaulting him , the dog was introduced to terrify him some more, the second cop was also giving him some. Criminal thugs, the cops that is, anyone who agrees with this method of policing is a thug byassociation (ed) by choosing to be on the side of the thug cops, safe side that is. I do what ever I have to do on the streets and once they are down , thats it ,no more unless they resist.

Or maybe you think you are being funny, either way I don't hold out much if hope for you or any one else who would agree with this thuggery. It is no wonder cops get attackeed (cx) if this is the accepted way of operating, then to be cheered on from the cowardly sidelines.

WTF???
What I said was slightly Tongue-in-cheek. However Policing has gone soft - which is a shame IMO. Human rights have got in the way haven't they? And because of RH cops rarely act this way. Or show the robustness that in some situation is needed. Unfortunately to many of them worry about being filmed or photgraphed, or receiving a complaint? I suppose you could say they cops were using ''thuggery'' as you put it, if they just went on picked on someone? Or randomly singled someone out. That's what thugs do. Pick on inocent people. Cops sometimes have to arrest nasty people that you wouldn't want to be in ths same room as! Thugs? You must be joking.

The kick was IMO a ''preemptive strike'' (an attack launched as a defensive measure) if you want to get techinical about it, i.e: the kick distracted the thug (i.e the baddy on the floor not the cop) enough for the cop to cuff the ars*hole. When he bent down on the floor the cop put himself in a vulnerable postion, in the thugs personal space. (He could of gone for the cops gun etc). The kick stopped that. & about the dog. Its K9's job to ''terrify'' a suspect? What did you want it to do lick him to death? K9 was doing it's job! What the cops did was completely justified. Simples. I could go on and on, but I won't waste my breathe.

Once cuffed and under control it's completely different. But he wasn't was he?

Finaly - Did you not see him driving the wrong way, crash and run off? He could of killed someone for crying out loud, and you have the cheek to moan about the Police!

Extreme police/judicial violence does put tongue in different part of cheek, there is no fun to be had from this , ask any one whose been assaulted by any one, the humour is in short supply.

don key

don key wrote:

zedders wrote:

don key wrote:

zedders wrote:

Of course he was clearly resisting? He made off, failed to stop, ran away? That's evading/resisting arrest in my book. And as the reporter said. He kicked him in the ''shoulder.''

If it were me I would have kicked him two or three times. And if I had a Police dog I'd let that loose round his balls as well.

The reporter is a liar and by association you are aswell. The cops had him totally ciovered and set about assaulting him , the dog was introduced to terrify him some more, the second cop was also giving him some. Criminal thugs, the cops that is, anyone who agrees with this method of policing is a thug byassociation (ed) by choosing to be on the side of the thug cops, safe side that is. I do what ever I have to do on the streets and once they are down , thats it ,no more unless they resist.

Or maybe you think you are being funny, either way I don't hold out much if hope for you or any one else who would agree with this thuggery. It is no wonder cops get attackeed (cx) if this is the accepted way of operating, then to be cheered on from the cowardly sidelines.

WTF???
What I said was slightly Tongue-in-cheek. However Policing has gone soft - which is a shame IMO. Human rights have got in the way haven't they? And because of RH cops rarely act this way. Or show the robustness that in some situation is needed. Unfortunately to many of them worry about being filmed or photgraphed, or receiving a complaint? I suppose you could say they cops were using ''thuggery'' as you put it, if they just went on picked on someone? Or randomly singled someone out. That's what thugs do. Pick on inocent people. Cops sometimes have to arrest nasty people that you wouldn't want to be in ths same room as! Thugs? You must be joking.

The kick was IMO a ''preemptive strike'' (an attack launched as a defensive measure) if you want to get techinical about it, i.e: the kick distracted the thug (i.e the baddy on the floor not the cop) enough for the cop to cuff the ars*hole. When he bent down on the floor the cop put himself in a vulnerable postion, in the thugs personal space. (He could of gone for the cops gun etc). The kick stopped that. & about the dog. Its K9's job to ''terrify'' a suspect? What did you want it to do lick him to death? K9 was doing it's job! What the cops did was completely justified. Simples. I could go on and on, but I won't waste my breathe.

Once cuffed and under control it's completely different. But he wasn't was he?

Finaly - Did you not see him driving the wrong way, crash and run off? He could of killed someone for crying out loud, and you have the cheek to moan about the Police!

Extreme police/judicial violence does put tongue in different part of cheek, there is no fun to be had from this , ask any one whose been assaulted by any one, the humour is in short supply. I read a bit more of whay you have written and it is nonsense but I will just ignore your future input.You really are behaving in a stupid neanderthal fashion and when you get the wrong end of a lawless lawman do not bring your problem with living life there after to this forum.

don key

crankycrank wrote:

I live south of Los Angeles and happened to see the end of that chase as it was happening live on the TV. The guy being arrested had apparently been running for quite some time and I saw him drive up on a pavement, run through numerous red lights and finally drive the wrong way down a road with a concrete divider nearly hitting another car head on and finally swerving and losing control to miss another head on crash and ending up crashing into another car. This is something that happens almost daily in L.A. and even the reporter cautioned the viewers to constantly be on the lookout for police chases. Most of these guys are running because they already did something bad such as stealing the car they're in or robbing a bank or they have illegal weapons in their car (very common here) etc., etc. I'm no fan of the police and some of their tactics but in a case such as this the guy deserved a good kick in the head and then some. Not to mention the fact that guns are commonly carried by many of the crooks here and the reason why a dog and four other cops are necessary to arrest someone. ANY arrest they make can potentially turn into a deadly shooting here. The criminal here gets all the sympathy but it could have ended up, and often does, with an innocent person, a cyclist even, being killed. The fact that people are willing to put up with all these runners to prevent "violating their rights" amazes me. This idiot will probably find a lawyer who will sue the city, and win, because of "police brutality". The person he crashed into will get....probably nothing beyond what their own insurance will pay.

He will win because the o police were brutal. The man was more than obviously not resisting in any way and the the judge/jury'executioner did his stuff. Who will protect me from my protector. It makes no difference where you live, brutality breeds brutality and it is quite possible that cops will die or be maimed as a result of this.Kid sees this and thinks "if I lkill them they can't hurt me".

antfly

Are you speaking from experience?

crankycrank

[quote="don key

He will win because the o police were brutal. The man was more than obviously not resisting in any way and the the judge/jury'executioner did his stuff. Who will protect me from my protector. It makes no difference where you live, brutality breeds brutality and it is quite possible that cops will die or be maimed as a result of this.Kid sees this and thinks "if I lkill them they can't hurt me".[/

quote]

My god man!! Are you able to see into the minds of every person you see on an abbreviated Youtube video?? Do you know what was said between the guy on the ground and the policeman? Do you know why he ran? Do you know if he has a gun?We're talking about some guy who's wreckless and dangerous flite from the police was witnessed live by probably 10's of thousands of people and plenty of luck was involved so that no one was killed. I'd say there's not much dispute about whether this guy was guilty and dangerous or not. In LA almost all of these chases are covered by at least one news channel helicopter and usually several plus the police will usually have there own helicopter. The chance of escaping is practically nil and everyone is aware of this yet they still continue to do it as well as the fact that the police know their every move will be videotaped.
Yes, another cop could die or be maimed from chasing this fool again when he gets his new Mercedes from his winnings in lawsuit. As I stated before I'm no fan of the police when they harrass and injure "suspects". I've had it done to myself and friends but I try not to let it cloud reality. Let's try to get rid of the bad cops but that doesn't mean kissing the arse of every creep out there to prove a point. Perhaps if you or one of your loved ones was maimed or killed by one of these guys fleeing you may feel differently. A family used to come into the restaurant I work in. Very nice young family with two teenage girls, one 10 and the other 13yrs. The mother went to pickup her 13 yo daughter from dance class one afternoon and was hit by a fleeing car thief. The daughter was killed and the mother has massive burns over most of her body and is now badly disfigured and endures constant pain. Absolutely disgusting!!! And you've been the judge, jury and executioner to the arresting officer from an internet video. One thing this shortened video didn't show was that earlier the criminal has come to a stop at an intersection that was blocked by other cars. At least two policemen came out of their car and pointed their guns at the driver from maybe 20ft away. Apparently this didn't frighten him too much because he knew they wouldn't/couldn't fire at him due to the laws regulating such things and he eventually made it through the intersection to continue on his merry way. My point is that restraint is often used by the police leaving the criminal feeling that he might as well keep trying to get away because the punishment is not all that bad. He may get 9 months in jail if we're lucky. Anyways most of these punks who shoot cops also shoot non-cops such as you and me or somebody elses child, parents etc. so that argument is pointless.

zedders

Don key in reply to your previous and above comments:
1) As I have already said my first post was tongue in cheeck, and I am sorry if it upset up. However this is the Cake shop forum, and I am entitled to MO. Nowhere along the line did I say anything was 'funny'.

2) Just because I have a football flag displayed on my posts it appears you think am some sort of football hooligan. So far you have refered to me as a 'liar', a 'thug', a 'coward', and a 'stupid neanderthal.'
Clearly you don't know me at all. To say that you will 'ignore my future input' on this forum just shows you to be short-minded. As @ 1) I am intitled to MO, and may have valid points in other discussions.

3) If you don't agree with my view that's fine, but at least I have attempted to explain my views in some way, in this limited environment, (breifly explaining preemptive strike, distraction techniques, HRights gone mad etc) as has crankycrank, about the serious issue of guns and real victims of criminal behaviour on the other side of the pond. You have not.
There's a whole host of other information and factors you or I don't know about. Just an example might be he was known to the Police, and has previous convictions for assault Police, or he was known to be violent offender. Factors, which when you look at the bigger picture would justify how the Police responded.

4) I am only guessing and apologise if I am wrong but it sounds a though you may have received some rough justice? and if you have I am sorry to here that. However you are being completely unfair to label all Police as thugs. Most do an outstanding job in difficult circumsatnces. Yes there are a few bad apples. And yes sometimes some cops go over the top, (such as the Rodney King incident in 1991) But regardless of how brutal that was, it doesn't make all cops bad, does it.

I could go on and on, and am happy that what I have quoted is just the tip of the iceburg. I could write many more lines attempting to justify my view, but as I said before I would just be wasting my breathe. Reply how you like - I just might ignore you future imput on this forum from now on, anyways!

Anonymous

I always think it prudent to reserve judgement on matters such as this until the conclusion of the investigation.

The officer may have acted on adrenalin. He may have information we don't know about e.g. last time the suspect was arrested he pretended to give up then attacked the officer.

Dunno.

Besides, it was hardly a rugby kick was it. Have a look at this link, the officer on the floor in the picture is me. I've tackled someone and taken them to the ground who was attacking a protester.I'm being kicked by someone who (this is a still from a video that no longer plays) took a good run up at me. There 40 of us against approx 500 rioting.
The Sky News man who was reporting shook my hand afterwards and said he thought it was amazing. He also had footage of me hitting someone with my baton on the wrist who was holding a broken piece of wood. If that had been taken out of context, according to Don Key I should be immediately suspended and I am a thug. What you can't hear is the man threatening to kill me. He ended up with the piece of wood on the floor and a broken wrist. I got home to see my wife and kids and he didn't go on to attack anyone else (the Oldham FC manager who just happened to be passing for example)

Rant over.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4220437.stm#

cee

I am no fan of criminals and think that many of our laws are set up to protect the criminal and are insane (in the case of a burgler getting a shoeing on the premises by the owner....I think thats fair enough), however on watching the video, it does seem heavy handed given that the guy was lying flat on his face with his arms outstretched.....

NapoleonD wrote:

I always think it prudent to reserve judgement on matters such as this until the conclusion of the investigation.

The officer may have acted on adrenalin. He may have information we don't know about e.g. last time the suspect was arrested he pretended to give up then attacked the officer.

Dunno.

This is the only comment from here that has altered my viewpoint somewhat....absolutely ND...it is too easy to watch a video and judge out of context.

I don't buy the adrenaline thing though.....as a professional officer of the law, an officer should not be acting impulsively...of course at the same time, I recognise that the police are not superhuman and have the same failings as the rest of us....

I am sure there will be a full investigation due to the media coverage, so I hope that this is the case and that the officer made a judgement call based on knowledge. I truly hope he is not just a thug, which undoubtedly, a proportion of people are, some of whom will serve in the police.

Anonymous

Cee, I was putting adrenaline as a flip side to the info thing, if he was acting on adrenaline that was bad, I wasn't using it as a defence of the officer, the opposite in fact! I should have made that clearer.