Orange p7 or On-one 456

brightlysparky

Orange P7 vs On-One 456
Anyone got any thoughts on the relative merits of one over the other?
Many thanks

Torres

As off the peg bikes or for a build?

brightlysparky

For a build - got a full suss that I'll take most of the parts off for the hardtail build
Many thanks

supersonic

There is about 200 quid difference in the frames! If have a 400 budget, why not look at some of the other steelies at that price too? Saying that the 456 is a well sorted long travel steel frame.

What parts are you fitting? And for what riding?

brightlysparky

Will take Lx/Xt, hope mono minis and mavic xc 717s off full suss which has Pace 41 fighters but will put a budget fork on the hardtail

Forgot about the zaskar - will have a look
Many thanks

grantway

The P7 is more expensive but it is a better built frame than the On One 456.

1 Take a look at the rear section of the Two bikes, the P7 is made
of two long seat stay sections but the On One is made in atotal of four parts.
Good design? I would say the P7 will be more springey as using less welds.

2 The P7 has now got fixings for the Hammershmit cranks but not on the
On One. So the P7 will be a good future upgrade frame if you wanted this.

3 If you look on the On One web site the Raw version of the 456 summer version
has a clear laqcuer finish but its prone to rusting and they seem happy about this?
Not sure of the paint version of the 456.

Not mentioning the Mags reviews of the Orange P7 but will get my vote.

supersonic

I wouldn't get the Summer Season anyway unless you are worried about dinging the mid section of tubes (is plain guage).

The rear end is inspired by De Kerf.

brightlysparky

Thanks very useful

Anyone know what fork length you can go up to on the charge duster? It's not immediatly apparent on their web site.

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grantway

Duster ? brightlysparky no idea ask the wife she must have a can of Pledge

supersonic

130mm lol.

I think.

nicklouse

brightlysparky
Charge say 100mm but i hear 120mm is OK.

Northwind

grantway wrote:

3 If you look on the On One web site the Raw version of the 456 summer version
has a clear laqcuer finish but its prone to rusting and they seem happy about this?
Not sure of the paint version of the 456.

That's by design- I'm not sure why you think it's a problem? It's just another option they offer for people who like the ratty look. It's also marketed as a thrash-and-crash frame where the finish would inevitably get damaged regardless. On One's regular finishing isn't brilliant, but it's good enough, the summer season is a special case by design

The P7 frame is really too expensive for what it is, just a basic cromo frame, albeit a good one. You can get the Genesis Altitude 853 frame for the same, or it'll buy most of a Soul or BFE. The complete P7 builds are good value I think but as a frame alone they're overpriced.

blister pus

If you're in no rush I'd wait 60 odd days for the £250 Ragley Blue Pig.

spongtastic

With the parts you're taking off, I'd go for a Scandal rather than a 456.

Northwind

Depends on the fork that, I think, I loved my Scandal but despite Brant's blurb I don't think it really works well with a longer fork, I found mine a bit too vague and light on the front end (I think mainly because of the slack seat tube, but I'm no expert on geometry, I just know it climbed really badly with more than 110mm of fork) If you're going with a u-turn or a shorter, 100mm or 110mm fork, it's ace, cheap too... It did descend well with the fork at full length but that seemed to miss the point of the frame, and also the point of a 5" hardtail, it was more like a 100mm bike that could do 130mm on occasion. But then, you end up with a compromised setup that doesn't work perfectly for either.

Steve_b77

Just to throw sumit else into the mix, how about a Cove Handjob

Anonymous

just to throw something in the mix, i had an 07 p7 and it was rubbish, everyone banged on about this supposed springy ride of steel all i got was a hammering everytime i went out on it. from what i can gather there isnt a massive ammount of difference between my old one and the current version apart from mine would have been 68 head angle as opposed to the steeper 69 of the current incarnation.

i did everything i could to get on with the bike and no matter what, it was crap.

last attempt

clutching at straws

nothing worked

i even ran it rigid for road riding and it was tosh.

blister pus

Not being funny here, apart from the weight of any steel frame being a factor (and the P7 is sposed to be on the heavy side compared to something like a Soul) but hasn't there got be a point when riding a standard hardtail design when a rider is over a certain size/weight just doesn't work whether steel or alloy is used?

I mean, the downward force a 19 / 20 + stone person applies has got to negate (to a greater degree) any in built flex within standard steel or alloy designed frames (Jones mega bucks designs excluded) so you'd be literally immune to any perceived value of a decent steel ride? Surely the lighter the person riding over rough terrain receives more impact vibration and therefore 'flex' 'spring'. As opposed to a heavier body damping / killing any impact vibration going over the same terrain?

Anonymous

blister pus wrote:

Not being funny here, apart from the weight of any steel frame being a factor (and the P7 is sposed to be on the heavy side compared to something like a Soul) but hasn't there got be a point when riding a standard hardtail design when a rider is over a certain size/weight just doesn't work whether steel or alloy is used?

I mean, the downward force a 19 / 20 + stone person applies has got to negate (to a greater degree) any in built flex within standard steel or alloy designed frames (Jones mega bucks designs excluded) so you'd be literally immune to any perceived value of a decent steel ride? Surely the lighter the person riding over rough terrain receives more impact vibration and therefore 'flex' 'spring'. As opposed to a heavier body damping / killing any impact vibration going over the same terrain?

if there was flex to be felt i would wager a heavier rider would notice it before a skinny bloke did, its not like these things are flopping about all over the place, its a very subtle thing apparently.

a very subtle thing that wasnt/isnt present on a p7

Father Faff

Well I'm about 14 stone with an old (short-travel) P7 frame and I've tried quite a few hardtails to find something more up to date and they've all been LESS comfortable than the P7. I'm still looking and people have suggested a Cotic Soul - all I need to do is find one to test ride!

supersonic

blister pus wrote:

Not being funny here, apart from the weight of any steel frame being a factor (and the P7 is sposed to be on the heavy side compared to something like a Soul) but hasn't there got be a point when riding a standard hardtail design when a rider is over a certain size/weight just doesn't work whether steel or alloy is used?

I mean, the downward force a 19 / 20 + stone person applies has got to negate (to a greater degree) any in built flex within standard steel or alloy designed frames (Jones mega bucks designs excluded) so you'd be literally immune to any perceived value of a decent steel ride? Surely the lighter the person riding over rough terrain receives more impact vibration and therefore 'flex' 'spring'. As opposed to a heavier body damping / killing any impact vibration going over the same terrain?

A heavy rider on a light steel frame may find it too flexy - I agre with Sheeps, the heavier rider may get more benfit from a stiff steel frame than a lighter one.

But they all vary - steel doesn't automatically mean springy, infact the stiffest frames I have ever ridden have all been steel.

Father Faff

Supersonic, have you tried a Cove Hummer or an Enigma Ego titanium bike? - stiff as bloody posts!

supersonic

Two I haven't tried lol, but many agree with you!

Incidentally, one of the springiest steel frames I have rideen was... a 1999 P7 ;-)

Father Faff

Oh no - so you mean there is nothing springier than my 1999 P7 !?

Have you tried a Soul by the way?

grantway

LOL Sonic a secret Orange Fan LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Father Faff

Yeh, has 'sonic seen the light?