Cash Strapped Astana to Fold?

blazing_saddles
blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
edited April 2009 in Pro race
Picked this up from elsewhere. Bit of a shock, if true.
http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... u&ie=UTF-8

I can think of a couple of rescue package sources/options.

I wonder if now might be a good time for Pat McQuaid to announce a lifting of Vino's ban? :wink:
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Interesting. I wondered earlier in the year if the Russian team would get off the ground. The Kazak economy is suffering a lot too at the moment.

    Maybe they can just hire more people who will ride for free?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Miss 'em like a hole in the head.
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Makes sense. Its a loss leader to promote Kazakhstan, but only works if the guys winning the races are actually Kazakhs.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • Simon Notley
    Simon Notley Posts: 1,263
    Interesting title " This time the carcasses, a cold shower!" sounds like a lyric from some Kazakh death metal...
  • MrChuck
    MrChuck Posts: 1,663
    Armstrong could probably see them through to the end of the season...
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Perhaps Bruyneel can tap up some other dodgy regime, maybe Bielorussia, even Burma or North Korea? But with the Tour coming up and Contador on board, frankly a lot of sponsors would be interested.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Only if he donates those big fat fees, he's been banking.
    Kind of defeats the object, if, of course, it was his real reason for returning and not to "raise cancer awareness".
    We'll see.

    I did say months ago, the Kazakhs would use just such a ploy to get Vino's suspension reduced.
    They weren't going to float "Team America" forever.

    The team's biggest non-Kazakh sponsors are Nike and Trek. Nike and Trek are both undergoing layoffs and Trek workers have been taking unpaid weeks off to save the company money. Armstrong owns part of SRAM but I'm not sure what the SRAM situation is since they sold a large interest in the company to a section of Lehman Brothers, which is now attempting to make it's way independent of the bankrupt Lehmen parent.
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  • rockmount
    rockmount Posts: 761
    calvjones wrote:
    Miss 'em like a hole in the head.
    ...Yeah ! cycling would be so much better without the world's best :roll: :roll:
    .. who said that, internet forum people ?
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Rockmount, the best riders could easily join another team, there is plenty of precedent for that.
  • rockmount
    rockmount Posts: 761
    Kléber wrote:
    Rockmount, the best riders could easily join another team, there is plenty of precedent for that.
    Really ? :shock:
    .. who said that, internet forum people ?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    rockmount wrote:
    Kléber wrote:
    Rockmount, the best riders could easily join another team, there is plenty of precedent for that.
    Really ? :shock:

    How hard would it be for Contador or Levi to get a ride?

    Not very.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    rockmount wrote:
    calvjones wrote:
    Miss 'em like a hole in the head.
    ...Yeah ! cycling would be so much better without the world's best :roll: :roll:

    Cycling would be much better off without a team that formed from the ashes of Sainz' systematic dopers, suffered numerous doping scandals almost from inception, and is funded by an unholy mess of ex-nationally owned 'private' sector commodity and utility companies with the fulsome backing of an autocratic, borderline despotic regime with a questionable human rights record.

    Oh, and the guy in charge is an inveterate wheelsucker :wink: .
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Saiz! Not Sainz.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • rockmount
    rockmount Posts: 761
    calvjones wrote:
    rockmount wrote:
    calvjones wrote:
    Miss 'em like a hole in the head.
    ...Yeah ! cycling would be so much better without the world's best :roll: :roll:

    Cycling would be much better off without a team that formed from the ashes of Sainz' systematic dopers, suffered numerous doping scandals almost from inception, and is funded by an unholy mess of ex-nationally owned 'private' sector commodity and utility companies with the fulsome backing of an autocratic, borderline despotic regime with a questionable human rights record.

    Oh, and the guy in charge is an inveterate wheelsucker :wink: .
    Bla bla bla bla ..... ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
    .. who said that, internet forum people ?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    rockmount wrote:
    Bla bla bla bla ..... ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

    Very well argued.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    iainf72 wrote:
    Saiz! Not Sainz.

    Pedent.
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  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    rockmount wrote:
    Bla bla bla bla ..... ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

    Very well argued.[/quote]

    If the thread bores you so much, why bother to post? Just go back to one of the Armstrong ones.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    calvjones wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Saiz! Not Sainz.

    Pedent.

    Pedant
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • rockmount
    rockmount Posts: 761
    calvjones wrote:
    rockmount wrote:
    Bla bla bla bla ..... ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

    Very well argued.

    If the thread bores you so much, why bother to post? Just go back to one of the Armstrong ones.[/quote]

    The thread doesn't bore me, your stupid comment does ... :wink:
    .. who said that, internet forum people ?
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    iainf72 wrote:
    calvjones wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Saiz! Not Sainz.

    Pedent.

    Pedant

    Gotcha. You just couldn't resist, could you :wink:
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  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    rockmount wrote:
    Really ? :shock:
    Basso joined Discovery in a late transfer. Beloki switched from Brioche La Boulangere to Saunier-Dopage mid season. It's all possible.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Rockmount - Which part of Calv's comment was boring exactly?

    He may not be able to tell the difference between Manolo and Dr Mabuse but we'll forgive him being from Welsh wales and all....
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    iainf72 wrote:
    Rockmount - Which part of Calv's comment was boring exactly?

    He may not be able to tell the difference between Manolo and Dr Mabuse but we'll forgive him being from Welsh wales and all....

    True. If Sai(n)z was Basque I would have supplied exactly the right number of Xs tho.
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  • rockmount
    rockmount Posts: 761
    Kléber wrote:
    rockmount wrote:
    Really ? :shock:
    Basso joined Discovery in a late transfer. Beloki switched from Brioche La Boulangere to Saunier-Dopage mid season. It's all possible.
    I was being sarcastic :wink:
    .. who said that, internet forum people ?
  • sward29
    sward29 Posts: 205
    Only if he donates those big fat fees, he's been banking.
    Kind of defeats the object, if, of course, it was his real reason for returning and not to "raise cancer awareness".
    We'll see.

    I did say months ago, the Kazakhs would use just such a ploy to get Vino's suspension reduced.
    They weren't going to float "Team America" forever.

    The team's biggest non-Kazakh sponsors are Nike and Trek. Nike and Trek are both undergoing layoffs and Trek workers have been taking unpaid weeks off to save the company money. Armstrong owns part of SRAM but I'm not sure what the SRAM situation is since they sold a large interest in the company to a section of Lehman Brothers, which is now attempting to make it's way independent of the bankrupt Lehmen parent.


    To be fair, Armstrong has stated that all of his appearance fees will go to the Livestrong Foundation.

    On the plus side, it would be nice to see the back of that hideous Astana kit.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    sward29 wrote:

    To be fair, Armstrong has stated that all of his appearance fees will go to the Livestrong Foundation.

    On the plus side, it would be nice to see the back of that hideous Astana kit.

    Except that was a lie. His TdU fee went into his pocket.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
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  • deal
    deal Posts: 857
    phips wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    sward29 wrote:

    To be fair, Armstrong has stated that all of his appearance fees will go to the Livestrong Foundation.

    On the plus side, it would be nice to see the back of that hideous Astana kit.

    Except that was a lie. His TdU fee went into his pocket.

    Where did you see that Iain?
    Armstrong also dismissed reports that the appearance fee he has been paid to contest Tour Down Under will go to the charity. Earlier in the week South Australian Premier Mike Rann's media department told Cyclingnews that any monies which may have been paid to Armstrong will go to the Livestrong charity.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2009/ja ... conf_jan09
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    sward29 wrote:
    To be fair, Armstrong has stated that all of his appearance fees will go to the Livestrong Foundation.

    On the plus side, it would be nice to see the back of that hideous Astana kit.
    +1 on the sh*t kit.
    The other point being, if Astana fold, there'll be no fee, either to pocket or donate.

    While I could see few teams eyes light up, at the prospect of getting a cut price Bertie, Levi or Kloden, I don't see a queue forming to let his lordship ride, free or otherwise.
    Unless of course, they are a team with no GT potential.
    Cue those lovely French! :lol:
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.