You tube banning music videos

Will Snow

might i suggest you read this? You can download it for free, and if you like it, you can buy it froma shop http://craphound.com/content/

stephenballantyne

Spotify.com

...brilliant

Red Rock

If you can't afford the price of a music video then just how the hell are you able to afford cycling

I think you'll find that the official videos will still be available. Lots of artist (Coldplay, Paul McCartney etc) use YouTube to air their music videos for free, all be it at a much lower quality than you'd pay for. But even if they stopped those toy, you'd still be able to go their own websites to view them.

Red Rock

downfader

Youtube lets in a lot of c***! (They let me on there ) I was watching a video today and had to flag it because 5 seconds in there was a man sticking his phallus into a young lady. :shock:

I think youtube has brought the litigation threat on themselves by not allowing a proper flagging procedure and vetting some videos themselves. Warner wont be the last.. there is a lot of copyright material being misused and spread (ignoring satire and educational stuff, they need to focus on groups like the BNP spreading videos)

Will Snow

downfader wrote:

(ignoring satire and educational stuff, they need to focus on groups like the BNP spreading videos)

err, free speech maybe?

downfader

Will Snow wrote:

downfader wrote:

(ignoring satire and educational stuff, they need to focus on groups like the BNP spreading videos)

err, free speech maybe?

err not when they're misquoting text and recutting BBC documentaries.. Mind you if they stuck to the facts there'd be no problem.

Frank the tank

Jake151 wrote:

Sorry if this is not everyone's cup of tea but I am really annoyed at this, What else am i gunna do on you tube now?!

Where am i going to listen to that i cant be bothered to buy. Grrr

I hate things sometimes

Gutted, there is some great northern soul on there. :evil:

Will Snow

downfader wrote:

Will Snow wrote:

downfader wrote:

(ignoring satire and educational stuff, they need to focus on groups like the BNP spreading videos)

err, free speech maybe?

err not when they're misquoting text and recutting BBC documentaries.. Mind you if they stuck to the facts there'd be no problem.

if you believe most things without cross checking it then your a bit a fool anyway. But I wouldnt say censoring them from youtube is the best bet.

DavidBelcher

Jake151 wrote:

What else am i gunna do on you tube now?!

Look at comedy clips (Bill Bailey, Harry Enfield, Vic & Bob, Fast Show, etc.) instead? Works for me.

David

alfablue

Bill Bailey is particularly incensed by the theft of his work for display on the likes of Youtube. His creative property is just as valuable to him as songs and videos are to the music industry, but the protection is far less. Comics may use an act for a year or two, yet get criticised for using "old jokes" with audiences - they are only old to them because they have been stolen for Youtube and have been seen on there. Creating original material is no easy task, and it is the creative and intellectual genius of a good comic that is being undermined. Also, other unscrupulous acts steal material.

Lee Hurst was recently convicted of damaging an audience member's mobile phone

Hurst claimed he had previously been targeted by 'joke thieves', who filmed clips from his show and sold the jokes on to TV and radio comedy programmes.

He said he feared that the audience member would post the gig on internet video site YouTube.

Whilst his action cannot be condoned, I have great sympathy for his predicament.

Displaying / viewing copyrighted material on Youtube is no more a victimless crime than is shoplifting - would you do that?

Clever Pun

use the .com version and set yourself as in the US

problem solved

if they get round to sorting that out just use a proxy

Will Snow

alfablue wrote:

Displaying / viewing copyrighted material on Youtube is no more a victimless crime than is shoplifting - would you do that?

I really think you should look at both sides of the arguement before making such sweeping statements as that. Check out Cory Doctorows craphound, link has been posted previously.

downfader

If someones made it they have a right to be paid for it if they so wish. Thats my view.

Will Snow

so if i put a music track to a video of my cat then i am as bad as a shoplifter? Thats your view? Believe me, people have been sued for a lot less. Times have changed, alot.

alfablue

Will Snow wrote:

alfablue wrote:

Displaying / viewing copyrighted material on Youtube is no more a victimless crime than is shoplifting - would you do that?

I really think you should look at both sides of the arguement before making such sweeping statements as that. Check out Cory Doctorows craphound, link has been posted previously.

Performers do what they do to make a living, the vast majority of whom are not wealthy mega-bands. Why should the fruits of their labour be used without payment? How willing are you to do unpaid overtime, without being given the choice?

As far as a sweeping statement is concerned, well, let me look at the alternative, you think you have a moral or even legal right to use copyright material without paying just because you can...I don't really understand what argument can b made in favour of that position, would you like to try and make one?

alfablue

Will Snow wrote:

so if i put a music track to a video of my cat then i am as bad as a shoplifter? Thats your view? Believe me, people have been sued for a lot less. Times have changed, alot.

As far as I understand the situation there is no problem, unless or until you broadcast it or disseminate it in some way to the public. You would need to pay the Performing Rights Society and / or the British Phonographic society for your use.

Yes, times have changed, you now need a PRS licence to play the radio in your workplace for example.

"People have been sued for a lot less" - explain? Sued for what?

DavidBelcher

alfablue wrote:

Performers do what they do to make a living, the vast majority of whom are not wealthy mega-bands. Why should the fruits of their labour be used without payment? How willing are you to do unpaid overtime, without being given the choice?

A fair point - not everyone in the entertainment industry has a McCartney-sized bank balance. Though I did think it a bit rich (no pun intended) last year when someone from the U2 camp had a pop at Radiohead's 'pay what you like' policy for downloading In Rainbows, saying it was "bad business sense" and that U2 would never do that. After all, it's not like Bono et al need the readies, is it? I believe they have recently splashed/are about to splash some of their dough on an eyesore of a hotel/high-rise complex in Dublin city centre....

David

downfader

Actually you needed an MCPS license until recently to play the radio in a public place or work environment. That ran for about 20 years iirc until the PRS took over

Back in the 90s I started uploading music to the web. And I've told this story many times and I think its worth telling again... the site I uploaded to was run by a friend

Website owner found out that another website was deep linking to his own site and charging for downloads and CDs from an address in europe somewhere iirc. Some cheaky swine was basically making money off mine and my fellow muso's hard work. It took a threat of legal action before they pulled the plug on their little operation.

We werent rich men and women, and if hundreds or thousands were made surely WE were entitled to that, not some greedy norris who was too lazy to work for a living.

So I have a lot of sympathy for those who are being ripped off.

Will Snow

so has anyone actually read the book i linked to?? or have you all just been brainwashed then?? have your own freaking opinions. its not as cut and dry as you think. you want examples?? read THE LINK I POSTED.

downfader

Will Snow wrote:

so has anyone actually read the book i linked to?? or have you all just been brainwashed then?? have your own freaking opinions. its not as cut and dry as you think. you want examples?? read THE LINK I POSTED.

Why should we read the link? Often websites about this sort of crap are propaganda for the pirates and the crackers. Quite frankly I'm not interested in it because I have had experience of my own to draw upon. :roll:

cee

deezer.com

listen to whatever you like legally for free

Will Snow

downfader wrote:

Will Snow wrote:

so has anyone actually read the book i linked to?? or have you all just been brainwashed then?? have your own freaking opinions. its not as cut and dry as you think. you want examples?? read THE LINK I POSTED.

Why should we read the link? Often websites about this sort of crap are propaganda for the pirates and the crackers. Quite frankly I'm not interested in it because I have had experience of my own to draw upon. :roll:

so your too lazy to form your own opinions, or to actually look at evidence. well, allow me to summarise. things are changing. Your point of view will, probably in then next ten years will be completely outdated and irrelevant. Sorry.

downfader

Will Snow wrote:

downfader wrote:

Will Snow wrote:

so has anyone actually read the book i linked to?? or have you all just been brainwashed then?? have your own freaking opinions. its not as cut and dry as you think. you want examples?? read THE LINK I POSTED.

Why should we read the link? Often websites about this sort of crap are propaganda for the pirates and the crackers. Quite frankly I'm not interested in it because I have had experience of my own to draw upon. :roll:

so your too lazy to form your own opinions, or to actually look at evidence. well, allow me to summarise. things are changing. Your point of view will, probably in then next ten years will be completely outdated and irrelevant. Sorry.

Are you REALLY that brainwashed? Dear god man, open your eyes. If you so wish to make money from your hard work, and indeed still be in control of your own artistic output you should be allowed.

I've been there and seen people get ripped off and others take away the chance they had to make it themselves. Dont be so bloody condecending to accuse me of rightousness or lazyness

I'm all for freedom of information and regulary contribute to places like youtube and so on. But I have CHOSEN to do so myself. I reserve the right to be in control or my material and my hard work.

Times may well be changing but that doesnt mean they are changing for the better. :roll:

Will Snow

im not saying its right or wrong, im saying times are changing. Do you really think people will go back to paying for music? Record companies accept this, the only reason they are fighting the copyright law right now is because they make so much money from sueing people. Artists will make money other ways, through live shows for example?

Remember when they said taping from the radio would kill music? Didnt happen, did it?

downfader

Will Snow wrote:

im not saying its right or wrong, im saying times are changing. Do you really think people will go back to paying for music? Record companies accept this, the only reason they are fighting the copyright law right now is because they make so much money from sueing people. Artists will make money other ways, through live shows for example?

Remember when they said taping from the radio would kill music? Didnt happen, did it?

But bands dont make money from live shows (unless you're Coldplay or U2) Promoters and venue owners wont pay out for the majority of bands. If you go on Musicradar you'll see a few threads from some quite successful bands that cant make money due to these reasons.

What has happened is a culture (for want of a better word) of theft h\as arisen and nobody is challenging it. Parents dont tell off their kids for downloading albums and movies from file sharing sites and educate them that its still theft, they also dont monitor their kids online and are guilty of said behaviour themselves.

And this culture has spread out of the web into everyday life. I've lost count of the shop lifters and pilferers we've encountered in the NHS.

People do need reminding that it is a) wrong and b) you're responsible for your actions. If a major sues you, like Geffen for example, you've known the risk in 90% of cases.

Will Snow

bands make a hell of a lot more money from live shows than cd sales. thats why bands like nine inch nails can relase their albums for free under a Creative commons licence, and make their money from live shows. Anyway, what bands do you know that are in it for the money? All the people I know in bands are in it for the music, and the good times. So long as they break even on a trip, most of the time their happy. Check out http://www.myspace.com/robbywater , this guy runs a music night in several pubs, doesnt make a penny out of it.

You have to remember that the internet is basically a device for the copying of files, and distribution of them very quickly. This is what the internet is for, in essence.
Check out steal this film (google or torrent it, parts 1 &2). Its unstoppable.

Is it stealing if I buy something off itunes but I cant put it on my friends computer, because of DRM?