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Campagnolo - What were you thinking...?

itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
edited February 2009 in Commuting chat
This morning... afternoon.... no doubt soon to be evening as well, I thought I'd finish my CX project by fitting some Campy levers to my all Shimano CX project :wink:

After much searching for the very well hidden hole for the gear cable I finally managed to route the front cable and connect it to the derailleur, so far so good....

It's then that I discover that my LH shifter has not two or three clicks but SIX, SIX :shock: WTF is that all about (thx Why) - so I now sort of get it but even so SIX up and two down :shock:

How do you ever manage not to down shift completely off the lower ring in a double or compact set up.

Shimano is far easier, okay it doesn't look as nice but it's a damn sight easier to set up and figure out, I mean FFS I had to read the manual :shock: :roll:
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  • UnderscoreUnderscore Posts: 730
    Well, the Shimano 105 shifter on my shiny, new Giant Defy1 has four positions for its compact chainset - ickle ring, ickle ring (trim), big ring (trim) & big ring. I guess that your shifters have something similar?

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  • _Brun__Brun_ Posts: 1,740
    itboffin wrote:
    How do you ever manage not to down shift completely off the lower ring in a double or compact set up.
    Limit screws?

    ;)
  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
    _Brun_ wrote:
    itboffin wrote:
    How do you ever manage not to down shift completely off the lower ring in a double or compact set up.
    Limit screws?

    ;)

    They'd have to be pretty big for those ranges.
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  • _Brun__Brun_ Posts: 1,740
    But the limit screws are specific to the derailleur, and nowt to do with the shifters.

    I noticed that on my 105 shifters, the left hand one can be moved through it's full range twice when the cable is disconnected, which I assumed was for when it's used with a triple chainset. Connected to a double derailleur tho', it'll only move the once.
  • poucherpoucher Posts: 102
    Don't panic Captain Mannering!! :lol:

    The extra clicks are just so you can trim the alignment of the front mech on the move, to stop the annoying "rubbing" of the front mech by the chain.

    Its a bit weird at first but you soon get used to trimming it on the move so she runs nice n quiet so to speak.

    Cheers,

    Poucher :wink:
  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
    but but but... if it was set up correctly in the first place then surely that much trimming wouldn't been needed, how very Italian :P

    Sounds a bit like "oh we haven't quite gotten the hang of this indexing stuff, lets add a bunch of trimming options" :lol:
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  • acorn_useracorn_user Posts: 1,137
    itboffin wrote:
    but but but... if it was set up correctly in the first place then surely that much trimming wouldn't been needed, how very Italian :P

    Sounds a bit like "oh we haven't quite gotten the hang of this indexing stuff, lets add a bunch of trimming options" :lol:

    FAIL! :) No one has been able to get front derailleur indexing to work right without trim. Campagnolo's design allows you to run triple and doubles with the same shifter, instead of having to go out and buy a whole new shifter. It's a bit like with friction gears, where you moved the lever to the correct place and could trim the front mech to avoid chatter. This is a big plus. Sram had to redesign their levers to incorporate trim too.
  • boy on bikeboy on bike Posts: 139
    I can vouch for the trimming on Camapgnolo front shifters to be a real asset: it does mean you can use the full range on the rear from either front ring.
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  • redddraggonredddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Those extra clicks are great, I couldn't do without them........
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  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
    I must have magical Shimano then because I have full range in all gear combos no trimming required ATM :roll:
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  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
    Living the lie people, living the lie :wink:

    Doggy design excellent marketing, make the customer believe it's a feature :lol:
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  • boy on bikeboy on bike Posts: 139
    :lol:

    Come over to the Italian side - you know you want to...
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  • vwcyclesvwcycles Posts: 1
    I believe the new shimano electronic shifter has a trim built in to the front derailleur. So it must have some utility,,,,
    wjg
  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
    boy on bike wrote:
    :lol:

    Come over to the Italian side - you know you want to...

    I'm there well sort of I have campy shifters on the CX and campy cranks on the tourer, I'm a sucker for the looks but have to hand it to ze Germans & Japanese for functionality.

    But don't mention zee war :wink:
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  • redddraggonredddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Who in their right mind wants to get an STI anyway?
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  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
    redddraggon wrote:
    Who in their right mind wants to get an STI anyway?

    Yeh it's such a drag when you press the lever and ii smoothly and silently single clicks into gear with no rubbing or trimming needed, no need to look down a check its actually in the right place or as I would imagine happens over shot the desired gear then accidentally dropped back down too far only to have to start the manoeuvre all over again by which time the you need to shift again or have crashed whilst staring down at your derailleur rather than enjoying the ride.

    Does that sound familiar - WOO HA HA HA HAAAAA!!!! :twisted:
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  • whyamiherewhyamihere Posts: 7,595
    itboffin wrote:
    redddraggon wrote:
    Who in their right mind wants to get an STI anyway?

    Yeh it's such a drag when you press the lever and ii smoothly and silently single clicks into gear with no rubbing or trimming needed, no need to look down a check its actually in the right place or as I would imagine happens over shot the desired gear then accidentally dropped back down too far only to have to start the manoeuvre all over again by which time the you need to shift again or have crashed whilst staring down at your derailleur rather than enjoying the ride.

    Does that sound familiar - WOO HA HA HA HAAAAA!!!! :twisted:
    Nope, that's never happened to me. Are you sure you're doing it right? ;)
  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
    Gears are for the old and losers I ride fixed :wink:

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  • boy on bikeboy on bike Posts: 139
    Looks like you've got all bases covered there. Nice paint job too!
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  • whyamiherewhyamihere Posts: 7,595
    How's the rolling resistance on those plastic 'tyres'? I need a replacement for my Pro Race 3s.
  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
    Truly puncture resistance but a little rough on the under carriage :wink:
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  • always_tyredalways_tyred Posts: 4,965
    itboffin wrote:
    I must have magical Shimano then because I have full range in all gear combos no trimming required ATM :roll:

    You finished your single speed project then?
  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
    Always Tyred wrote:
    itboffin wrote:
    I must have magical Shimano then because I have full range in all gear combos no trimming required ATM :roll:

    You finished your single speed project then?

    Pistols at dawn :evil:
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  • LittigatorLittigator Posts: 1,262
    itboffin wrote:
    Gears are for the old and losers I ride fixed :wink:

    2771431438_50c241621c.jpg

    Note safety first, head light, reflector and emergency skipping rope :D

    What about that bad boy in the background eh. With tyres like that I'll bet you get some gnarly off road action going Dude!
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  • redddraggonredddraggon Posts: 10,862
    itboffin wrote:
    redddraggon wrote:
    Who in their right mind wants to get an STI anyway?

    Yeh it's such a drag when you press the lever and ii smoothly and silently single clicks into gear with no rubbing or trimming needed, no need to look down a check its actually in the right place or as I would imagine happens over shot the desired gear then accidentally dropped back down too far only to have to start the manoeuvre all over again by which time the you need to shift again or have crashed whilst staring down at your derailleur rather than enjoying the ride.

    Does that sound familiar - WOO HA HA HA HAAAAA!!!! :twisted:

    STIs are bad, I suggest you go to the GUM clinic :wink:
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  • don_dondon_don Posts: 1,007
    I'm coming out....

    I want to get Campag for my road-bike (currently Shimano 105)

    Unfortunately that means at the least - levers, rear mech, free-hub (assuming I can get one) and cassette - I think.

    And have you seen by how much kit has gone up recently? :evil:
  • whyamiherewhyamihere Posts: 7,595
    don_don wrote:
    I'm coming out....

    I want to get Campag for my road-bike (currently Shimano 105)

    Unfortunately that means at the least - levers, rear mech, free-hub (assuming I can get one) and cassette - I think.

    And have you seen by how much kit has gone up recently? :evil:
    Nope, it just means Ergos and cassette. Use 10 speed Ergos an an 8 speed cassette. Your Shimano mechs will shift fine, and you can even use a 10 speed chain on the 8 speed setup. ;)
  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
    whyamihere wrote:
    don_don wrote:
    I'm coming out....

    I want to get Campag for my road-bike (currently Shimano 105)

    Unfortunately that means at the least - levers, rear mech, free-hub (assuming I can get one) and cassette - I think.

    And have you seen by how much kit has gone up recently? :evil:
    Nope, it just means Ergos and cassette. Use 10 speed Ergos an an 8 speed cassette. Your Shimano mechs will shift fine, and you can even use a 10 speed chain on the 8 speed setup. ;)

    Better yet get yourself a jtek shiftmate and keep all your Shimano 10 speed drive train with the campy levers then sell me your 105's for next to nothing.

    For what it's worth I have 9 sp campy levers on a shimano 105 10 speed setup working right now, still struggling with LH shifter :(

    Six clicks - NO NO NO it's just not right!
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  • don_dondon_don Posts: 1,007
    I've heard the thing about using 10spd Ergos on an 8spd Shimano cassette, although I'd like to keep 10 spd if possible.

    I take it that means Ergos, Campy Free-hub and new cassette then? Seems a bit 'wrong' to use Campag levers with a Shimano rear mech!

    Those shiftmate thingies look quite good - do they work OK? In other words, do they work perfectly? I can't stand iffy indexed shifting...
  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 20,049
    don_don wrote:
    I've heard the thing about using 10spd Ergos on an 8spd Shimano cassette, although I'd like to keep 10 spd if possible.

    I take it that means Ergos, Campy Free-hub and new cassette then? Seems a bit 'wrong' to use Campag levers with a Shimano rear mech!

    Those shiftmate thingies look quite good - do they work OK? In other words, do they work perfectly? I can't stand iffy indexed shifting...

    Ooo you're so fussy - yes they work in fact reports are they work better than matched brand gearing :wink:
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    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
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