C2W, can someone else get me a bike??

andy83

Ok so this is not a plea on here lol but im trying to get my work to sort out the C2W scheme but they are dragging their feet and have a feeling they will say no, however have friends whos work do the scheme, what are the chances of them getting a bike for me to use??

is there any way they actually check

they work for a uni so loads take up the scheme there and doubt all of them use it for work

desperately want a new bike but cant afford it

Phil92

I'm pretty sure that would breach the rules of the C2W. And it ruins the system for everyone else who has got their bikes well - legitimately.

I think you'll have to suck it up and fork out the cash.

alfablue

You mean, your mate signs up for the scheme and sells you the bike? It would work, no one ever checks on how the bike is used, however, the bike is the employer's property, and you can't be the owner, and if they don't want to sell it on after the hire period is up, they don't have too (again, that is never going to happen). Your mate signs a legally binding agreement, and undertakes to look after the bike etc, they would be breaking this.

andy83

cant see it ruining the scheme for everyone doing it legitimately. i mean its getting someone else getting to work ethically

i understand i cant be the owner and the other person will still own the bike

how about if my girlfriend got the bike on the scheme then in theory all insurance etc will be correct as we live together and then i will fork out the money for her new bike as she only wants a basic one to commute on. only prob is there is bout half a foot difference in height, would the bike shop get funny its in her name but obviously to fit me?? i mean we will be giving them the custom of the c2w bike and another commuter

barry_kellett99

andy83 wrote:

cant see it ruining the scheme for everyone doing it legitimately. i mean its getting someone else getting to work ethically

i understand i cant be the owner and the other person will still own the bike

how about if my girlfriend got the bike on the scheme then in theory all insurance etc will be correct as we live together and then i will fork out the money for her new bike as she only wants a basic one to commute on. only prob is there is bout half a foot difference in height, would the bike shop get funny its in her name but obviously to fit me?? i mean we will be giving them the custom of the c2w bike and another commuter

Speaking from experience, I doubt they will care

andy83

cheers, it might be a serious option for me to take and kind of makes sense.

if say the bike was in her name could i get the insurance in my name? is it right that some poilicies you can get a family policy so say i would insure a bike and put her bike on the policy aswell

would prob get third party insurance anyway for when im out and about, and as it would be a bike for fitness then will only really be locked at home

barry, you say from experience, have you done summin similar??

alfablue

andy83 wrote:

cant see it ruining the scheme for everyone doing it legitimately. i mean its getting someone else getting to work ethically

i understand i cant be the owner and the other person will still own the bike

how about if my girlfriend got the bike on the scheme then in theory all insurance etc will be correct as we live together and then i will fork out the money for her new bike as she only wants a basic one to commute on. only prob is there is bout half a foot difference in height, would the bike shop get funny its in her name but obviously to fit me?? i mean we will be giving them the custom of the c2w bike and another commuter

My boss got a second C2W bike after his first agreement ended, but it was for his wife. Employer didn't know and bike shop didn't care. Employers do make money out of the scheme and also gain some kudos.

DonDaddyD

Money made through the scheme helps support and justify the scheme to the employers.

Yes it's wrong and in breach of the agreement. Would I do it? If I broke an established set of rules I was clearly aware of, it isn't something I'd tell people....

I will say this:

Almost no one ever got rich, successful or ahead without breaking a rule/law at somepoint.

Example:

James T Kirk, was the only person able to beat some special Star Fleet test. The reason? The test was designed so that all applicants would fail - I think it was to do with ordering someone to their death. He rigged the settings so that that wasn't the only outcome of the test. He cheated but it also showed initiative of the highest order...

hisoka

DonDaddyD wrote:

Money made through the scheme helps support and justify the scheme to the employers.

Yes it's wrong and in breach of the agreement. Would I do it? If I broke an established set of rules I was clearly aware of, it isn't something I'd tell people....

I will say this:

Almost no one ever got rich, successful or ahead without breaking a rule/law at somepoint.

Example:

James T Kirk, was the only person able to beat some special Star Fleet test. The reason? The test was designed so that all applicants would fail - I think it was to do with ordering someone to their death. He rigged the settings so that that wasn't the only outcome of the test. He cheated but it also showed initiative of the highest order...

It was either go in to save a ship and be destroyed, or stay out and the other ship would be destroyed. It was to test how someone would react to a no win situation. He cheated and got it reprogrammed to make it possible to win. In the end it came down to someone either throwing him out or passing him with high marks, and accordingly it was decided on a coin toss.
Great analogy though for many things though.

I am going to sit on a fence about getting for someone else on C2W, not sure either way.

andy83

well spose all points are valid

just cant afford a new bike and dont see why i should miss out on a good scheme just cos i work for a rubbish comapny lol

will speak to girlfriend when she gets in

spen666

Legally speaking, your mate would be commiting a theft and you would be handling stolen goods.

andy83

spen666 wrote:

Legally speaking, your mate would be commiting a theft and you would be handling stolen goods.

ok then, when its put like that i might just leave it lol

looks like just have to wait for my work to get the butts into gear

the_hundredth_idiot

spen666 wrote:

Legally speaking, your mate would be commiting a theft and you would be handling stolen goods.

Seems a bit strong. How about andy83's mate is still "hiring" the bike from his employer but just lets andy83 ride it? And store it at his house? And clean it? And spend all his hard-earned on accessories for it? The bike still "belongs" to andy 83's mate's employer in theory and so andy83's mate could give it back if he had to. Hard to see how that could ever be considered theft.

Someone else buying the bike for andy83 is clearly against the letter of the contract. But I can't see anyone giving a monkey's in practice.

Nobody at my firm would be any the wiser if I did that (which I haven't, to be clear) and it would be more trouble than it was worth to do anything about it even if they did.

And has anyone actually had to hand a bike back at the end of the year (two years in my firm)? Both my current firm and my previous firm let you keep the bike (for nothing) at the end of the period.

biondino

The theft is from the govt in terms of VAT etc, no?

Personally, I'd avoid it. Too much hassle, the potential for a lot more hassle, and business deals between friends are always a bad idea.

andy83

yea thought the theft comment was a bit strong lol

to be honest i think it could prob work, but then id allways worry if there was an insurance claim or the said person got questioned

think ill have to just save up my hard earned readies to get my new stead