Anyone need a good mountain helper outside of France?

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited February 2009 in Pro race
Beltran has a license and is allowed the compete anywhere except France and is looking for a ride

http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=4782#ancre1

So I expect the Mekon will have a license soon enough...
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.

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  • iainf72 wrote:
    Beltran has a license and is allowed the compete anywhere except France and is looking for a ride

    http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=4782#ancre1

    So I expect the Mekon will have a license soon enough...

    There's Baden Cooke's spot at the Rock. :wink:
    Something is amiss with the AFLD's groundwork, or is someone from you know where, deliberately throwing a spanner in the works?
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Something is amiss with the AFLD's groundwork, or is someone from you know where, deliberately throwing a spanner in the works?

    It could be both. There's talk that if challenged the AFLD cases might fall apart. Or the UCI are being a bit "funny"

    I did warn this would happen last year....
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,544
    It's a joke isn't it? I'm not sure if the AFLD are at fault though as other cases have been successfully concluded, i.e. Kohl, Ricco and Peipoli so presumably they've raised this with the relevant national federations. The UCI must've been involved in this too so they don't appear to be deliberately obstructing.

    One wonders if certain national federations have the best interests of the sport at heart.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    andyp wrote:
    It's a joke isn't it? I'm not sure if the AFLD are at fault though as other cases have been successfully concluded, i.e. Kohl, Ricco and Peipoli so presumably they've raised this with the relevant national federations. The UCI must've been involved in this too so they don't appear to be deliberately obstructing.

    They all confessed which means it's a lot easier to sanction them.

    I'm sure more will come out on the story over time but it's a right royal mess.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    What is the UCI doing granting him a licence? Both A and B samples showed traces of EPO, so the UCI should be throwing the book at him, not posting out a licence.

    I just don't understand what goes on in the UCI's swanky offices in Aigle, Switzerland. They seem so inconsistent when it comes to doping. One minute they don't want to retest samples from the Giro for CERA, the next they are trying to make the bio passport watertight. In other words, they seem willing to let some off the hook but are trying to nail others.
  • Is There a problem with the TdF last year being run outside the UCI jurisdiction?
    I'm sure the lawyers of these riders will be pushing something like this and chief Wiggum will be looking at his elbow and shouting AR$E!!!!
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    DavMartinR wrote:
    Is There a problem with the TdF last year being run outside the UCI jurisdiction?
    I'm sure the lawyers of these riders will be pushing something like this and chief Wiggum will be looking at his elbow and shouting AR$E!!!!
    That is the exact point of why the TDF went it's own way.
    The ASO company thought that the UCI are not "Strong" enough on the Drug Question.

    If you didn't get the innuendo of a previous poster above then try, that he is a former team mate of the 7 times TDF winner.
    The feeling around most knowledge parts is, that man has influence in the UCI.
    The above story fits rather well with that theory, I think. !!!!!!!
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • From today's CNs:-
    Spaniard Manuel Beltrán may have tested positive for EPO during last year's Tour de France, but that may not mean he will be denied a racing license, according to reports on Saturday. The former Liquigas rider revealed that the UCI and the Spanish federation have communicated to him that he would be allowed to race anywhere except the Tour de France, much to his surprise.

    Beltrán and fellow Spaniard Moises Dueñas along with German Stefan Schumacher (CERA) have yet to be handed suspensions.

    Seems to me, that if the ASO and UCI have really kissed and made up, that this is a tantrum that should not be happening.
    Pat's lot are going to get the sport yet more bad press over this lack of action. They are sanctioning the unsanctionable in Omerta.
    It'll get worse when the give Schumacher the green light to ride.
    Where's Dick pound when you need him?
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    So he tests positive, A and B samples, and the UCI says "he would be allowed to race anywhere except the Tour de France". Why can't we have a governing body that says he would be allowed to race anywhere except Planet Earth?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Kléber wrote:
    So he tests positive, A and B samples, and the UCI says "he would be allowed to race anywhere except the Tour de France". Why can't we have a governing body that says he would be allowed to race anywhere except Planet Earth?

    I'm going to dig my original post on this out. If you read the WADA rules and UCI rules this situation was entirely predictable and I felt it was never ironed out how it would work when the AFLD did the testing.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • micron
    micron Posts: 1,843
    I see your point but, since every other rider caught at the 08 Tour has received a regular sanction, and since the UCI and ASO have achieved a raprochement, surely to make an exception in Beltran's case lays the UCI open to all kinds of accusations from ASO and other federations about their commitment to anti-doping. Publicly supporting the most lax federation in the sport doesn't look great and surely looks like petty point scoring against the TdF.

    It really is time for McQuaid to walk - he is an incompetent fool who has made the UCI look ever more like Useless C**ts and Idiots

    And thew fact that Beltran was a faithful lieutenant of HWSNBN doesn't exactly add to the transparency either.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    For cycling forums, is there a variant of Godwin's Law involving Armstrong?
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    The significant difference is all the other riders have confessed which is as good as an positive from the UCI.

    There's an interesting new FAQ which just appeared on the WADA site

    Who is responsible for managing the results of doping controls and potentially sanctioning?
    The anti-doping organization that initiated the test is responsible for managing the results of doping controls and sanctioning the athlete if it establishes that an anti-doping rule violation occurred.

    So it's up to the AFLD to manage this, not the UCI. The standard procedure would be for the AFLD to notice the federation / ADA of the country where the athlete holds their license. Judging from what happened with the Mekon there was a disconnect there and there hadn't been this level of communication.

    The AFLD can only issue sanctions in France. Also, if they had passed on results to a national fed or ADA then they should not be issuing sanctions and respect the national ADA of the athlete.

    I'm not fan of Pat McQuaid (how does he run Little Chef and the UCI I wonder) but the UCI aren't really at fault here. The AFLD did an excellent job of catching 'em but forgot about the small print it appears.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Arkibal
    Arkibal Posts: 850
    micron wrote:
    I see your point but, since every other rider caught at the 08 Tour has received a regular sanction, and since the UCI and ASO have achieved a raprochement, surely to make an exception in Beltran's case lays the UCI open to all kinds of accusations from ASO and other federations about their commitment to anti-doping. Publicly supporting the most lax federation in the sport doesn't look great and surely looks like petty point scoring against the TdF.

    It really is time for McQuaid to walk - he is an incompetent fool who has made the UCI look ever more like Useless C**ts and Idiots

    And thew fact that Beltran was a faithful lieutenant of HWSNBN doesn't exactly add to the transparency either.

    The only ones who have received a regular sanction, are the ones who confessed, Ricco, Piepoli and Kohl.
    As Iain said last year, this was going to end up in a big mess.

    Linking Beltran's case to Lance is ludicrous.
  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    Think ian's reading of the situation is spot on. Either tardiness by AFLD, a lack of communication between AFLD and the Spanish doping authorities or a lack of action by the Spanish. It was a non-UCI sanctioned race so as such they can't act.
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    Arkibal wrote:

    Linking Beltran's case to Lance is ludicrous.
    But it Fits though !!! along with Hamilton, Landis et al, They are all former team mates at Discovery.
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    will any big race organisers let him in? I think he will not be welcome
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    The French did ban him and communicated this to the UCI

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... /nov26news

    There's the small matter of him not holding a French licence which means until the Spanish fed bans him he can be granted a licence.

    Yet another reason for centralising doping controls and sanctioning.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    iainf72 wrote:
    The French did ban him and communicated this to the UCI

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... /nov26news

    There's the small matter of him not holding a French licence which means until the Spanish fed bans him he can be granted a licence.

    Yet another reason for centralising doping controls and sanctioning.

    yes definitely...am puzzled by how Vino was only given a 1 year ban by his mates oin kazhakstan....2 years minium by all feds is surely the way...can the UCI not punish, or the IOC punish the country concerned for their disregard of the doping rules
  • I hope the UCI Bio-passport has picked up these riders so they can sanction them?
    Bit of a worry if the bio-passport doesn't pick them up?
    But if they were out of the UCI jurisdiction for the month of July in the TdF would the UCI have still been able to test them?
  • Beltrán facing two-year ban
    AFLD rules on EPO case, UCI studying decision

    Contrary to earlier reports suggesting that he could get a licence this year, Spanish rider Manuel Beltrán has been banned for two years from French competition and looks set to suffer the same punishment on the world stage.

    The former Liquigas rider claimed in recent days that the International Cycling Union (UCI) and the Spanish federation have communicated to him that he would be allowed to race anywhere except the Tour de France. The UCI refuted this to Cyclingnews shortly afterwards, saying that it had never communicated this message to either the Spanish federation or Beltrán himself.

    On Thursday the governing body then further clarified the situation. "UCI received the AFLD's decision on February 9th," said its spokesman Enrico Carpani. "This decision, which imposes a two-year suspension on the rider and, at first glance appears to conform to the WADA's international code (Beltrán did not appear at the hearing and therefore renounced his right to defend himself), is currently being examined by our services concerned.

    "If the decision is confirmed – and therefore recognized by the UCI regulations – it would come into effect without any geographical limits."

    It is expected that the UCI will follow suit and ban the rider, effectively ending his career
    .

    Over to you, Pat. :wink:
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • "Tricky" Beltran indeed.Does the "U" in "UCI" stand for unbelievable?
  • Dave_1 wrote:
    will any big race organisers let him in? I think he will not be welcome

    im sure he'll be more than welcome at races run by such avid anti-drugs campaigners as the Italians and spanish federations.