advice about bad backs and bikes
tozi1
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just returned to cycling after a break of four years or so ( my kids had my old 40 year old road bike restored and upgraded as a christmas present!!-wow or what!!)- my wife would love to come out for the odd gentle jaunt,but as a nurse she has had a lot of back trouble over the years,and we are worried about getting the wrong bike,the more i think about it I'm thinking something with an upright riding position?Anyone had a similar problem?
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Good luck
I'ts also worth speaking to a good sports physio, mine has given me a lot of exercises and stretches to strengthen my core muscles and loosen my hamstrings. Pilates and yoga are also supposed to be good for this.
Hope this helps.
Burls Ti Tourer for Tarmac, Saracen aluminium full suss for trails
I punctured a disc in my lumbar region a couple of years ago. Coupled to that are a number of degenerated discs.
I find a more stretched out riding position really helps take the pressure off the sensitive parts. It also helps the muscles around my spine loosen up. I can be almost pain-free for a whole day after a decent ride.
The huge advantage with drops is that there are so many different hand positions, which helps take pressure off sensitive parts and keep things nice and loose.
An upright position on a hybrid would destroy me in minutes.
I wouldn't also assume100% that upright position is good - for my back problem I was advised to do some 'gapping' excercises - and was told that leaning forward helped this process.
I'm not an expert by I would say that an upright position would be much worse for your back. Every little bump and pothole in the road would send shocks up your spine, whereas if you're in a more stretched out position, shocks are spread more evenly through your back, hands and feet.
When you are upright (standing / walking) the back forms a series of curves which act as a shock-absorber. The centre of mass should be directly above the pelvis, which means that muscles and ligaments dont need to counterbalance the weight of the torso. The spine is very good at coping with shocks (e.g. running, walking, escaping from sabre toothed tigers) in that position, precisely due to the curvature.
If you are susceptible to back pain what you want to avoid is stretching muscles and ligaments to their limits statically, and then adding the shocks and jolts from riding. It is better to have unstretched muscles and ligaments so that they have a bit of give - hence the more upright position which is usually more comfortable.
One thing to remember, though, is that back pain sufferers often adapt to protect their back and so the muscles might not be very strong, and you might need a bit of gentle exercise to get them into shape. This means that you might get some muscle soreness, just like any exercise and your weaker muscles get a bit sore.
Take it easy at first and build it up. There are a lot of back-pain sufferers who ride without problems and so it can be done!
The GT
Good point, Nuggs, but I think that is a bit different - without wanting to get too medical , it seems you are unfortunate to have a chronic back condition, with a diagnosis and physical disc damage. It sounds like extending is always a problem and so the forward position could be the best position for exercise. If there is serious disc degeneration then spinal flexibility will be reduced and the 'shock absorber' won't work properly - a bit like riding with a flat tyre - and so you need to adapt to an alternative posture.
The original post seemed to be talking about a different type of back discomfort which is very common amongst healthcare professionals who might need to manoeuvre heavy patients. This is often due to repeated slight over exertion and the damage is muscular and can often heal. Taking exercise, like cycling, or even horse riding, can be therapeutic if done with care. Unless there are other factors to consider, the best practise it to try to remain in a 'neutral' posture, avoiding excessive twisting, reaching or bending.
The GT
I ride my mountain bike 90% of the time, i am not 'upright' by any means. from what I've seen most hybrid bikes are not going to make someone upright either.
from what I understand, the best position on a bike is with the back slight convex to better absorb shocks, not too stretched out as this can allow the back to flex in a concave arc, this will cause a lot of problems, not too tucked up as this can cause breathing problems by not allowing the lungs to expand properly.
I have a back problem, fused vertebrae in my lower back and constant sciatic pain in both legs. riding either type does not cause more problems because i take a lot of time to get my riding position sorted.
Burls Ti Tourer for Tarmac, Saracen aluminium full suss for trails
If you have to stand up and heave on the pedals and bars when going up a hill I find it puts a large strain on your lower back.
Anyway when I choose my bicycle I had no idea what I was looking for in one as I did not even knew haw to ride, I just sat on many different sizes in the shop to see haw it feels.
I sit in an upright position on my bicycle and my arms slightly bended, my back curves very little. I have seen people riding their bicycles and bend much more forward them me. I have to say I am one happy bunny because I have no back pain at all YAY. I really pushed my self riding it plenty of times and feeling great. This is the holy grail of exercise for me if I can say so lol.
I really think you should take your wife to try different size bicycles and rent to see haw it goes.
Good luck!