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dave_1dave_1 Posts: 9,512
edited January 2009 in Pro race
with an ex Italian pro...suggests blood doping was common in the early 80s. Funny interview generally...shocks Ox CC

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/The ... 75621.html

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  • Dave_1 wrote:
    with an ex Italian pro...suggests blood doping was common in the early 80s. Funny interview generally...shocks Ox CC

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/The ... 75621.html
    Blood doping? He actually says:

    "It was before EPO, but even then, I knew of people who were taking their plasma out in the winter, putting it in the freezer and then using it before an important race like the Giro so you go like you've got a can of oil going through your veins. "

    Given that blood plasma has a shelf life of as much as a year his comments about taking plasma out in the winter make sense, but this isn't blood doping as such and certainly wouldn't have increased the aerobic capacity of any rider doing it.

    The basis of true "800 ml of packed cells" blood doping is the extraction, storage and re-injection of red blood cells, and these have a shelf life of only 40 days or so.

    This story does show two things. One, riders will use almost any doping procedure, even if it gives no real benefit. Two, as long as a certain American is not implicated, people are ready to believe the doping revelations of almost any 'old pro' without indignantly demanding 'proof' of what they say. :wink:
  • stagehopperstagehopper Posts: 1,593
    Dave_1 wrote:
    with an ex Italian pro...suggests blood doping was common in the early 80s. Funny interview generally...shocks Ox CC

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/The ... 75621.html

    Enjoyed that - few more interviews with him here:

    http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/blog/cyclists/flavio-zappi/

    http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/blog/cycling/c ... ng-layoff/

    http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/blog/training/ ... -training/
  • DaveyLDaveyL Posts: 5,167
    aurelio wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    with an ex Italian pro...suggests blood doping was common in the early 80s. Funny interview generally...shocks Ox CC

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/The ... 75621.html
    Blood doping? He actually says:

    "It was before EPO, but even then, I knew of people who were taking their plasma out in the winter, putting it in the freezer and then using it before an important race like the Giro so you go like you've got a can of oil going through your veins. "

    Given that blood plasma has a shelf life of as much as a year his comments about taking plasma out in the winter make sense, but this isn't blood doping as such and certainly wouldn't have increased the aerobic capacity of any rider doing it.

    The basis of true "800 ml of packed cells" blood doping is the extraction, storage and re-injection of red blood cells, and these have a shelf life of only 40 days or so.

    This story does show two things. One, riders will use almost any doping procedure, even if it gives no real benefit. Two, as long as a certain American is not implicated, people are ready to believe the doping revelations of almost any 'old pro' without indignantly demanding 'proof' of what they say. :wink:

    Is there any subject out there you can't turn into a pop at Armstrong?
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  • dave_1dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    DaveyL wrote:
    aurelio wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    with an ex Italian pro...suggests blood doping was common in the early 80s. Funny interview generally...shocks Ox CC

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/The ... 75621.html
    Blood doping? He actually says:

    "It was before EPO, but even then, I knew of people who were taking their plasma out in the winter, putting it in the freezer and then using it before an important race like the Giro so you go like you've got a can of oil going through your veins. "

    Given that blood plasma has a shelf life of as much as a year his comments about taking plasma out in the winter make sense, but this isn't blood doping as such and certainly wouldn't have increased the aerobic capacity of any rider doing it.

    The basis of true "800 ml of packed cells" blood doping is the extraction, storage and re-injection of red blood cells, and these have a shelf life of only 40 days or so.

    This story does show two things. One, riders will use almost any doping procedure, even if it gives no real benefit. Two, as long as a certain American is not implicated, people are ready to believe the doping revelations of almost any 'old pro' without indignantly demanding 'proof' of what they say. :wink:

    Is there any subject out there you can't turn into a pop at Armstrong?

    I know...what's he like eh? I think it is quite funny, a Giro veteran showing up in jeans and trainers for a club run and not telling anyone....
  • DaveyL wrote:
    aurelio wrote:
    This story does show two things. One, riders will use almost any doping procedure, even if it gives no real benefit. Two, as long as a certain American is not implicated, people are ready to believe the doping revelations of almost any 'old pro' without indignantly demanding 'proof' of what they say. :wink:
    Is there any subject out there you can't turn into a pop at Armstrong?
    This has nothing to do with Armstrong per say. If there were other rider against whom overwhelming evidence existed that they doped, and yet people still argued with an almost religious degree of faith that they were clean, whilst at the same time accepting that practically every other rider in the peleton was doped to the gills on the slightest of evidence, I would say the same.

    Anyway now that Fraud Landis is coming back doubtless his own little band of disciples will be providing those with a more rational turn of mind with a whole new set of anti-French conspiracy theories, historical revisionism and scientifically illiterate nonsense to criticise!
  • BronzieBronzie Posts: 4,927
    My mate was one of the guys that beat him last Summer. Apparently, he and Flavio were working well together off the front, and Flavio basically told him to go ahead and take the win, he wouldn't contest it - either a selfless gesture..............or he was f*cked.

    His ego was hard enough to keep in check as it was - imagine what he was like when he found out he'd beaten an ex pro. :roll:
  • eheh Posts: 4,854
    Well thats hardly a shock since it's well known that the USA cycling team at the LA olympics used blood transfusions (Chris Carmichael was on that squad). But transfusions go back way before that, even back to even the 1960's, obviously however, the techniques now are more sophisticated than previously.
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