Needed: Arguments, statistics, common sense in lue of inlaws
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bluechair84 wrote:More roads won't solve congestion... more bikes please!
Go C2W scheme
This is absolutely true. There is a recognised phenomenum called 'induced driving' that says that each extra road that is built not only reacts to demand for the space but actually creates more demand.
To quote Hollywood 'If you build it, they will come'.0 -
Also, where's that road going? To a city? I drive out of Bristol centre daily atm and feel sorry for all the cars trying to squeeze their way in to this little gridlocked city. Where are they going? How will another road help?simple_salmon wrote:There is a recognised phenomenum called 'induced driving' that says that each extra road that is built not only reacts to demand for the space but actually creates more demand.
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Is there a car event horizon??
The shoe event horizon goes like this...
You start with too slightly too many shoe shops on one street, so people buy slightly too many shoes.
As a result of the buying, more shoes are manufactured to fill the created demand. A side effect of this is that the quality of the shoes goes down, so people need to buy more shoes more often, resulting in more shoe shops, manufacturers etc.
Followed to a conclusion (logical or otherwise)...the model ends with a countries entire economic output, created by the shoe industry.Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.
H.G. Wells.0 -
cee wrote:Is there a car event horizon??
The shoe event horizon goes like this...
Were Douglas Adams writing this today, it's quite possible he'd have picked the automotive industry to lampoon instead of the shoe industry. Of course, when the inevitable crash is triggered (as we're perhaps seeing now) the fallout is immense.
....although one hopes not as immense as that which affected Douglas' example.0 -
bluechair84 wrote:.......And yes - I'm fairly certain this is a test of my worthiness of his daughter and less a matter of politics. Trouble is it isn't really a debate with him but a monologue... Maybe I should leave post-it notes around so I can argue my point But no, pouring boiling water on him won't make me more eligable to become 'family' ......
Anyway, back to the question we're all asking. Did you get the girl???????0 -
hell yeah hook line and sinker. We've been together for two years now but It's only now that I'm spending more time with her family. I didn't really meet them for after a year. Unfortunatly for him, it no longer matters who wins the debate I just argue because I'm as stubborn as he is.
And this event horizon thing, kinda like a catch 22? Where you have to be considered insane to be able to get out of the front lines, but to diagnose yourself as insane means you obviously have some control over your faculties, so back to the front lines you go matey boy!0 -
I've had to put some thought into this...
Catch 22:
I drive, therefore I wait. If I do not drive, then no waiting is being done - so once again I drive.
Event Horizon:
Road is built, cars wear down road. Maintenace is done to fix road. Demand increases for good roads (supoprted by increasing supply of ever-more comfortable cars) so does rate of maintenance. As cars increase; wear rate increases: Event horizon - when every other vehicle is a tarmac truck fixing the a patch in front of you, in a state of permeant infrastructre melt-down.
Isn't this already coming true
For every new lane put up, another two are coned off for maintenance... 0 -
The biggest argument is fun and efficiency.
If I drive to my evening job it takes 45 minutes to an hour but at least 15 minutes (up to a third or more of total time) is spent sittign stationary in the car waiting for other people's lack of coordination and resultign traffic jams. If I ride my top speed is less but my speed is more constant. I still stop for the red lights, but for the lgihts, not three blocks back from them.
It is more efficient, and therefore, fun.
I honestly do not enjoy driving. Haven't in years.
I do enjoy riding which is why I do it.
The USA right now has what, 40,000-60,000 fatal car wrecks a year?
Your non-riding fellows are probably more likely to get killed in a car than you or me are on a bike. I mean, in equal force impacts a cyclist is more exposed to harm, obviously, and a lot of drivers are simply blind to cyclists, but a competant rider is often more aware of their surroundings and the overall traffic dynamic than a commonplace driver; he has to be cause he is always merging, edging around obstacles ont he side fo the road or between stuck cars or taking ther lane or listening for and timing the speed of passing cars.
thusly competant riders with experience can ride safety often on roads non-riders find hard to drive on.
You could argu bikes don't pollute, cyclists are less likely to inflict huge damage if they do crash, impose less wear and tear ont he road infrastructure, etc. This is all true. But if it ain't fun it's all just sitting on a treadmill isn't it?
Since Jan. 1st I had 3 people I barely know ask if riding is effective exercise. I shuddered and told them yeh, if you're going on real fast road rides, but for pete's sake don't do it for exercise, do it for fun.
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I choose to cycle to work if anyone doesn't like that they can shove it where the sun doesn't shine. :evil:
(See - clear and logical argument wins every time)0
