Expensive shifters
itboffin
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At the moment i'm working on two bike build projects, my tourer with full Campy and my cross with fsa/shimano both are moving on nicely until today, I've been carefully moving/upgrading parts between bikes, when I came to sourcing STI 10 speed shifters.
What gives? these things cost a fortune...! Why?
What gives? these things cost a fortune...! Why?
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Okay after much searching I can get new 2008 Campy 9 speed shifters for <£70 that's the tourer sorted.Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.0 -
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The price of STIs really is ridiculous.Ergos aren't that bad.
By the way, I may be selling a set of 9 speed Xenon Ergos in a couple of weeks that you could have for £25 posted. Just an idea.
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whyamihere wrote:The price of STIs really is ridiculous.Ergos aren't that bad.
By the way, I may be selling a set of 9 speed Xenon Ergos in a couple of weeks that you could have for £25 posted. Just an idea.
Def. up for that PM me if you decided to sell., thanksRule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.0 -
Will do. Got Xenon brakes for sale too...0
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whyamihere wrote:Will do. Got Xenon brakes for sale too...
Sir I am an addict, do not tease... Sold!!!
Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.0 -
You REALLY hate Shimano don't you? Its not entirely rational. They aren't terribly overpriced, by comparison to other road groups and they are at least as well engineered and reliable as campy, arguably based on a more sophisticated mechanism.redddraggon wrote:And to make it worse Shimano STIs are the crappest things Shimano make.
All the decent stuff is reasonably priced but the crappy STi's are really overpriced :?
They aren't servicable. Are Sram's servicable? Are they "crap" too?
They are undoubtedly reliable, 5+ years easily. Actually, I'm using a 9 year old set on my commuter right now. There will always be exceptions and niggles (like rattling Ultegra 9 speeds) but other than "Italian = good, Japanese = mass produced crap" I don't see your reasoning.
Datsun was a loooong time ago.0 -
Always Tyred wrote:You REALLY hate Shimano don't you?
I don't know where people get the idea I hate Shimano from. I've got no problem what so ever with Shimano.
They make very good deraillers, chainsets, cassettes, wheels, bars, brakes, stems, seatpost....etc etc.
I only use Shimano pedals, I like their Pro stems/bars/seatposts, and my most bombproof
If I built a TT bike I'd probably use a Shimano groupset, as no STIs are needed.
The old STIs are just a massive fail, but 7900 ones are a step in the right direction.0 -
Why? They reliably change gear for up to about a decade. There are original 8 speeds kicking around still working fine.redddraggon wrote:The old STIs are just a massive fail, but 7900 ones are a step in the right direction.
(Oh, and I just can't imagine why people think you hate Shimano ) 0 -
Always Tyred wrote:Why? They reliably change gear for up to about a decade.
It's nothing to do with the reliability. It's all to do with the uncomfortable shape and shifting method.0 -
But how is that "crap"? They work fine, they are reliable. Some people like the feel and the action, some people don't. Sounds like Campag shifters to me.redddraggon wrote:Always Tyred wrote:Why? They reliably change gear for up to about a decade.
It's nothing to do with the reliability. It's all to do with the uncomfortable shape and shifting method.
Calling them "crap" on this basis is like saying that all music you don't listen to is crap.
Calling them overpriced I agree with, but then the top of the range Record and Red shifters are more expensive than DA just now.0 -
erm! hello 321 back in the room this is the 'workshop' not cake stop / commuting, if you're going to go off piste at least involve the OP... ME ME ME
Let not have a ShimaNO vs Campy debate please, next thing you know we'll be talking a RLj & wearing helmets, tut tut!
:roll:Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.0 -
itboffin wrote:erm! hello 321 back in the room this is the 'workshop' not cake stop / commuting, if you're going to go off piste at least involve the OP... ME ME ME
Let not have a ShimaNO vs Campy debate please, next thing you know we'll be talking a RLj & wearing helmets, tut tut!
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Obviously, as an IT boffin, you'll be after the electronic shimano group, right?
BTW - ebay is a fantastic place to pick up STI shifters from at a more reasonable price, for upgrading projects.0 -
Always Tyred wrote:itboffin wrote:erm! hello 321 back in the room this is the 'workshop' not cake stop / commuting, if you're going to go off piste at least involve the OP... ME ME ME
Let not have a ShimaNO vs Campy debate please, next thing you know we'll be talking a RLj & wearing helmets, tut tut!
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Obviously, as an IT boffin, you'll be after the electronic shimano group, right?
BTW - ebay is a fantastic place to pick up STI shifters from at a more reasonable price, for upgrading projects.
As an out of work itboffin ebay was my first stop, I'm still amazed by the complete stupidity of people on ebay who pay more for a used or new unseen item than you would pay in the shops.Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.0 -
Always Tyred wrote:
But how is that "crap"? They work fine, they are reliable. Some people like the feel and the action, some people don't. Sounds like Campag shifters to me.redddraggon wrote:Always Tyred wrote:Why? They reliably change gear for up to about a decade.
It's nothing to do with the reliability. It's all to do with the uncomfortable shape and shifting method.
Calling them "crap" on this basis is like saying that all music you don't listen to is crap.
Calling them overpriced I agree with, but then the top of the range Record and Red shifters are more expensive than DA just now.
Agreed - I could post redddraggon's comment word for word, but about Campy shifters. Each to his own.0 -
biondino wrote:Always Tyred wrote:
But how is that "crap"? They work fine, they are reliable. Some people like the feel and the action, some people don't. Sounds like Campag shifters to me.redddraggon wrote:Always Tyred wrote:Why? They reliably change gear for up to about a decade.
It's nothing to do with the reliability. It's all to do with the uncomfortable shape and shifting method.
Calling them "crap" on this basis is like saying that all music you don't listen to is crap.
Calling them overpriced I agree with, but then the top of the range Record and Red shifters are more expensive than DA just now.
Agreed - I could post redddraggon's comment word for word, but about Campy shifters. Each to his own.
Yeah, Camag is just so crap. 0 -
I found an adapter which fits onto the rear derailleur which changes the cable pull ratios allowing campy/shimano combinations, has anyone used these devices?Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.0 -
Try the Tour/Expedition board on the roadie bit. Very popular with tourers because the concealed cables of Campag allow bar bags to be used, while using Shimano MTB cassettes and mechs for a wide range.itboffin wrote:I found an adapter which fits onto the rear derailleur which changes the cable pull ratios allowing campy/shimano combinations, has anyone used these devices?0 -
So i've gone for a temp solution of using some old Shimano down tube shifters with R500 brake levers (babies rattles) with a 9 speed Campy crankset and my 27 x 1 1/4" wheels.
Problem is I need a screw on freewheel cassette with as many cogs as possible but I think 7 might be the largest available.Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.0 -
itboffin wrote:
Problem is I need a screw on freewheel cassette with as many cogs as possible but I think 7 might be the largest available.
Is this any good?
Zenith 8sp freewheel:
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php ... b0s112p2060 -
itboffin wrote:I need a screw on freewheel cassette with as many cogs as possible but I think 7 might be the largest available.
Contradiction in terms :oops: Think you can get 8 speed freewheels but not in C or S, something like mavic.I've added a signature to prove it is still possible.0 -
It's done, after many hours cleaning the old dérailleurs and tweaking the Shimano SLR brakes I have a rideable tourer, I have some questions about friction shifting that hopefully one of you will be able to answer.
1. How tight should shifters braze-on nut be, I over tighten everything.
2. What stops the gear shifting up/down again.
Tourer project contains;
Mercian Audax frame & forks (oddly with 120mm rear axle spacing)
Campy record headset
Campy double crankset 9 speed
Campy bottom bracket
SRAM 8 speed chain
Shimano downtube shifters
Shimano SLR brake levers and brakes (rubbish)
Selle Italia G2 saddle
Random chrome seat pin
Campy set post bolt
ITM quill stem
Ambrosia handbars
Dura Ace cables
Shimano 7 speed freewheel
Suntour front/rear derailleurs
Weinmann 27 x 1 1/4" wheels
Unusual wheels nuts
Conti ultra sport tyres
Shimano SPD pedals
Spokelit lights
It's not pretty but it will do until I can afford a complete Mercian respray and Campagnolo rebuild.
My project still needs;
Pannier racks & panniers
Frame pump
Saddle bag
Handlebar bag
Water bottle cages
lights, lots of em!Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.0
