Schils and Eddy Merckx

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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    Oh I get it, has CJ sold you some wheels?
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Bargainous second hand rolf prima elans, but may well get something else fitted on the bike ... may not.

    Unsure on wheels.
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    I don't see any point in going crazy on the wheels. Too many people do that thinking it'll make them a gazillion times faster. It won't. Riding your bike will. The Elans are well tidy.
    FCN 2-4.

    "What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    cjcp wrote:
    I don't see any point in going crazy on the wheels. Too many people do that thinking it'll make them a gazillion times faster. It won't. Riding your bike will. The Elans are well tidy.

    Same s true of so much of course.

    Good article here though: http://bikehugger.com/2007/03/aero_wheels.htm
  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    cjcp wrote:
    I don't see any point in going crazy on the wheels. Too many people do that thinking it'll make them a gazillion times faster. It won't. Riding your bike will. The Elans are well tidy.

    HERETIC!

    HE'S A WITCH!

    BURN HIM!!!
    Swim. Bike. Run. Yeah. That's what I used to do.

    Bike 1
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  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    No, you're right, it won't.

    Maybe I'll just stick with the elans... my only mild concern is that (according to epic) rolf prima no longer have a UK arm, so there's not really a great after-sales on them if you do a spoke or something.

    Whether or not that matters I don't know, but they were a good deal and very pretty.

    I am such a novice...
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    the Elans should be easily re-buildable.

    He says confidently.
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    No, you're right, it won't.

    Maybe I'll just stick with the elans... my only mild concern is that (according to epic) rolf prima no longer have a UK arm, so there's not really a great after-sales on them if you do a spoke or something.

    Whether or not that matters I don't know, but they were a good deal and very pretty.

    I am such a novice...

    But the same is often true if you buy factory built Mavics and spokes go.

    I'll email my wheel builder mate to see if suggests anything re things like spoke replacements.
    FCN 2-4.

    "What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Hmmmm, I see! I don't like the Mavics...

    I was looking at hte following options:

    Edge
    Reynolds
    FFWD
    Fulcrum

    Really like the Rolf Prima ones, so that contact came along at just the right time!
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    Mmmm Fulcrum.

    Not ridden my FFWD's yet. Waitng for the weather to improve.

    Can't got wrong with Fulcrum, 2 pairs and no problems at all. Bombproof.
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    I would also say LEW - they're arguably better than Edges, and lighter too - but I've heard that the company that makes them have gone out of business. I'd go with the Edge or Reynolds (cos they would match my bike, see).
    FCN 2-4.

    "What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    *googles*

    Nice! There's a lot of technology on that site that I don't really understand!

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tricky. I do really like the elans.
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    LEW have either gone down the plughole or been bought by Reynolds. But the lead times for their stuff were supposed to be ridiculous, and their prices were up there with Lightweights.

    With the £ where it is now, the days of hoovering up good kit from the USA or Europe are sadly postponed...

    Now if you want to try riding tubs, Campy Boras are basically molten sex crafted by an Italian into race wheels...
    Swim. Bike. Run. Yeah. That's what I used to do.

    Bike 1
    Bike 2-A
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    *googles*

    Nice! There's a lot of technology on that site that I don't really understand!

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tricky. I do really like the elans.

    LiT: I give you The Puppy's Plums:

    http://www.lewracing.com/proVC1rims.html
    FCN 2-4.

    "What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Greg66 wrote:
    LEW have either gone down the plughole or been bought by Reynolds. But the lead times for their stuff were supposed to be ridiculous, and their prices were up there with Lightweights.

    With the £ where it is now, the days of hoovering up good kit from the USA or Europe are sadly postponed...

    Now if you want to try riding tubs, Campy Boras are basically molten sex crafted by an Italian into race wheels...

    Non grazie... I want to be able to obtain tyres/tubes from any bog-standard bike shop...
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    Easton also have a good rep.
    FCN 2-4.

    "What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    Here we go: Lew & Reynolds
    Swim. Bike. Run. Yeah. That's what I used to do.

    Bike 1
    Bike 2-A
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    The LEW ones seem a bit overly specific in what you can and can't do... new rim tape, kevlar something something only...

    I will add easton to the list... thanks!
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    Had a discussion with G66 about Ambrosio rims the other day too.

    I'm also considering some of these:

    http://www.interlocracing.com/rims.html
    FCN 2-4.

    "What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Devon knows how they make them so creamy...
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • Petromyzon
    Petromyzon Posts: 221
    Hello, as a closet weight-weenie lurker (not something I'd normally admit to :lol:) I thought I'd butt in to your convo and post this

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NSCtEQ_uRrI

    The LEW thing has rumbled on for a while and I think there is a bike shop in London who have lost money to them. They ordered wheels that were never delivered. If I was in the market for a tubular wheel I'd go Mavic Cosmic Carbone Ultimate, basically a Lightweight copy, every bit as good but they do a very good crash replacement programme. The advent of glued together carbon wheels was a big step in performance but once they are broke they stay broke, it seems.

    If I could have any clinchers I'd go with the Shimano Carbon Laminate, either shallow or deep section. Pretty much as light as any clinchers out there, very stiff, Shimano hubs and spares availability, aluminium brake track (I wouldn't have the balls to go carbon I don't think) and very good reviews. There is also supposed to be a road tubeless version coming soon:)

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Shima ... 360030874/
  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    edited January 2009
    Get out. Gone on, get out. (which directed at lit, for her dreadful creamed rice "joke")


    I think she has her heart set on Campy Record. Will those Shimanos take a campy freehub? And what do they weigh? Carbon deep rims + alu braking surfaces normally = porker city ...
    Swim. Bike. Run. Yeah. That's what I used to do.

    Bike 1
    Bike 2-A
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    But but but I'm going campagnolo...
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    I've heard nice things about the DA wheelset, but that's too much for me. I'd go handbuilt, where I can choose the rim, hubs, type of spoke and even the colour. I am also a bit tight. :P
    FCN 2-4.

    "What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    Greg66 wrote:
    LEW have either gone down the plughole or been bought by Reynolds. But the lead times for their stuff were supposed to be ridiculous, and their prices were up there with Lightweights.

    With the £ where it is now, the days of hoovering up good kit from the USA or Europe are sadly postponed...

    Now if you want to try riding tubs, Campy Boras are basically molten sex crafted by an Italian into race wheels...

    Non grazie... I want to be able to obtain tyres/tubes from any bog-standard bike shop...

    Ah. Well, if you go for semi aero rims or bigger, you'll want long valve tubes (better than valve extenders). Which rules out bog standard bike shops for tubes. Buy in bulk from Parker.
    Swim. Bike. Run. Yeah. That's what I used to do.

    Bike 1
    Bike 2-A
  • Petromyzon
    Petromyzon Posts: 221
    aah, serves me right for not reading the whole thread and jumping in. Not sure if they will take Campy, doubt it very much though. The shallow clinchers are 1380 grams apparently and turn up pretty close to that. Certainly not porky, they are reputedly a lot stiffer than many other flyweight clinchers.

    How about HED ardennes?
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id= ... ardennes08

    They are wider and apparently this gives a better ride. Very light and available in campag.

    Anyway, night-night all, ride safe/heal safe tomorrow.
  • don key
    don key Posts: 494
    Greg66 wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    They also have a small quantity of Eddy Merckx gear, some frames and other bits including... wait for it... podios! However the guy in the shop was rather scathing about them.

    He is an ignoramus. Shun him.

    But seriously.

    There are two questions that immediately come to mind.
    1. Does he base his so-called opinion on 15 years + of daily riding? If not, ignore everything further he says.
    2. After he'd won five Tours, the Vuelta, the Giro and almost all the classics, what piece of bike kit did he design? If nothing, ignore him even more. In fact, picket his shop.

    But seriously.

    I didn't realise Interbike was still going. Way back when I think they were the distributor for EM stuff; I've certainly had some pedals & cleats from them. Then I thing they dropped EM stuff/were dropped by EM and they fell off the radar a bit. Interesting that now their online stuff is more focussed on the race team than the shop.

    Schils. A bit of sneaky searching tells me that Patrick Schils, a former Belgium pro racer, owns Interbike. Try here: www.veloschils.com. I would guess that he rebadges generic frames. That's all fine, but you need to work out what the underlying frame is/who else badges it in order to get any useful reviews.

    Personally, I think you're better off going down the Viner/Parlee/Crumpton/megabucks bikes route. :wink:


    His father, the late Josef Schils won Paris -Tours in 1953, Patrick was Belgium amateur champ 30 odd years ago and Dominic regularly takes the creme of Belgium for a ride. The Paris Tour trophy is on display in the shop and takes pride of place along with loads of other trophies.

    As for expensive wheels not being all they are cracked up to be, I have a pair of second hand Boras and I'm flying but then the previous owner has very good pedigree. I'm even flying in January which never happened on my Scirroccos.

    I know two people who swear by their frames but I have yet to try one, also they are to far from me and one trip involved a round trip on the bike of 114 miles.
  • phil s
    phil s Posts: 1,128
    I happened upon this thread a while back and was interested in what sounds like it's going to be a porn-iferous build. Are you planning on racing or is it just going to be a poseur bike?
    I love nice, light bike bling but as a racer my number one priority is that stuff works. People spout a load of bolleux about wheels "making you faster", that's rubbish. All that will make you faster is the correct type of training.
    Anyway, back on topic, are you specifically after carbon wheels for your new rig? You do realise the hassle of swapping out brake pads and the expense of fixing/replacing punctured tubs? There are several carbon wheelsets out there now that are designed to take clinchers, and/or have alu braking surface. I raced Mavic Cosmic Carbones last season (tub version though) and they are a superb wheel once you're rolling over 25mph and very, very strong... and there's no poncing about with brake pads. This season they've made the range a bit lighter. Edge rims also have a good rep, and while they don't have an alu braking surface they do come in a clincher version. Personally, though, I'd avoid all that hassle if you're not racing and invest in a bling set of handbuilts - maybe IRD cadence with White Industries, Tune hubs or DT Swiss Ceramic hubs, CXRay or DT Aerolite spokes and some coloured nipples to match your frame colour. Cheaper than factory stuff, lighter and more serviceable. Then match with a nice set of light skewers.
    Another bling bit of kit I have raced for a while and that works is Zero Gravity brakes. Pricey but pretty, and stoopid light.
    Anyway, sorry for the ramble. Can't wait to see pics of the build.
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  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    edited January 2009
    phil s wrote:
    People spout a load of bolleux about wheels "making you faster", that's rubbish. All that will make you faster is the correct type of training.

    Whilst I agree with the general sentiment, that's not literally true. Take some £50 box rims with hubs made of friction and put them up against a deep front and a disc on the back, and the same rider will see some time improvement over a given course.

    Whether it's worth the cost, or could be achieved more easily with training plus wheels that fall in between these two extremes is another matter...
    phil s wrote:
    Another bling bit of kit I have raced for a while and that works is Zero Gravity brakes.

    Really? I've heard mixed views about them. The ZeroGs or the Negative Gs?
    Swim. Bike. Run. Yeah. That's what I used to do.

    Bike 1
    Bike 2-A
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    Greg66 wrote:
    phil s wrote:
    Another bling bit of kit I have raced for a while and that works is Zero Gravity brakes.

    Really? I've heard mixed views about them. The ZeroGs or the Negative Gs?

    The NERD versions look the nuts:

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