Armstrong - 10 drug tests so far?
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So Lance says.
He's the guy who liked to tell everyone he was "the most tested athlete ever in the history of testing"
Which he wasn't.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
who thinks Armstrong would be taking something that shows up in the MSGC?
he has banked his blood, and he will be doing hormones that do not register on the mass spec. If he needs to boost blood with a hormone in EPO family, he will use a version that does not show up, or he will disappear for 72 hours, til the half life has excreted enough so it will fail to register.0 -
[cough, cough]This Armstrong smokescreen really scratches the throat.
Imagine if you were on the verge of losing your driving licence because you just can't stop speeding in your car. Each time you drove past a Gatso speed camera, you'd text Twitter saying "Another speed check again! I've been checked 10 times now" and tried to pretend this meant you never broke the speed limit in your car. It's not the same, is it?
As forearms says, the classic tests only catch the stupid, people taking off the shelf doping medicines. After all many riders sailed through tests during the past 15 years, only to be convicted with police evidence.
What we need instead is to see his "baseline" of normal values but the delays to implement a plan with Catlin only add to the suspicion. Armstrong should know this, that he has to get the basics in place first and work to earn the trust of skeptical fans and journalists. Even if he's clean, squeaky clean, he needs to reassure people.0 -
The past tells us everything we need to know about the present. I'm feeling pessimistic and cryptic today.0
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forearms Van Petegem wrote:who thinks Armstrong would be taking something that shows up in the MSGC?
he has banked his blood, and he will be doing hormones that do not register on the mass spec. If he needs to boost blood with a hormone in EPO family, he will use a version that does not show up, or he will disappear for 72 hours, til the half life has excreted enough so it will fail to register.
What's an MSGC?Le Blaireau (1)0 -
What's an MSGC?
I think this should have been GCMS, which stands for gas chromagraphy mass spectrometry.
It is part of the analytical technique that is used to analyse for banned substances and uses a GC connected to a mass spec. This set up enables both volatile and non volatile drugs to be detected.
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chromatography.
Le Blaireau (1)0 -
forearms Van Petegem wrote:who thinks Armstrong would be taking something that shows up in the MSGC?
he has banked his blood, and he will be doing hormones that do not register on the mass spec. If he needs to boost blood with a hormone in EPO family, he will use a version that does not show up, or he will disappear for 72 hours, til the half life has excreted enough so it will fail to register.
they are looking for biosimilars and reckon they can test for them...he would dare not tarnish his rep by vanishing for 3 days...and if he transfuses banked blood will that not show up over time through the bio-passport which can halt a rider for suspected doping...there's two sides to the coin...I think he might ride clean this time...I doubt he did before0 -
I actually doubt LA has had 10 tests. It's probably more - his failing memory means he's probably forgotten half the tests he's taken. 0
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Dave_1 wrote:forearms Van Petegem wrote:who thinks Armstrong would be taking something that shows up in the MSGC?
he has banked his blood, and he will be doing hormones that do not register on the mass spec. If he needs to boost blood with a hormone in EPO family, he will use a version that does not show up, or he will disappear for 72 hours, til the half life has excreted enough so it will fail to register.
they are looking for biosimilars and reckon they can test for them...he would dare not tarnish his rep by vanishing for 3 days...and if he transfuses banked blood will that not show up over time through the bio-passport which can halt a rider for suspected doping...there's two sides to the coin...I think he might ride clean this time...I doubt he did before
I too think LA will ride clean in 2009. You would think there is no need to dope. If he was before, and isn't now and struggles, LA will put thisw down to being out of the sport for three years, 3 years older etc etc etc.
Of course, those who thinks he doped will say 'look his form has dropped off, this proves he used to dope'. Whereas those who believe he is clean will say 'he has past all the doping tests, he's clean now, he was in the past...'
In other words it will achieve nothing.0 -
why with his legacy intact and such a great CV of wins would he come back and endanger it all? He does not need the money and risks destroying his standing with the public for what....one more win...he's won tons. No, in my mind i can't believe he wasn't doped before given what the others had to do to finish way behind him...and so, I think he likes the bio passport and the search for variants of EPO, testosterone, HGH etc...so he is back thinking he can win on a relatively clean level playing field0
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Dave_1 wrote:why with his legacy intact and such a great CV of wins would he come back and endanger it all? He does not need the money and risks destroying his standing with the public for what....one more win...he's won tons. No, in my mind i can't believe he wasn't doped before given what the others had to do to finish way behind him...and so, I think he likes the bio passport and the search for variants of EPO, testosterone, HGH etc...so he is back thinking he can win on a relatively clean level playing field
If it is a clean playing field he might, if (and im pretty much with everyone on the probably part) he did dope he wasnt the only one and no got very close to beating him.
What he hasnt done before is race two GT in one season, atleast raced and won. If he rides with any intent at the Giro you can write him off for the GC for TDF.Take care of the luxuries and the necessites will take care of themselves.0 -
Remember the top three on a stage /.one day race get tested, plus those wearing the leaders jersey. Armstrong didn't win too much outside the Tour and during the Tour, he would pick up the yellow jersey midway through the race. So this means he'd be tested about 10-12 times in the Tour and little beyond that, especially since he moved to Spain, home of relaxed anti-doping controls.
By winning upto 15 races a year, plus racking up so many podium places and points jerseys, the likes of Mario Cipollini, Tom Steels or Robbie McEwen would be tested far more often.
Above all, remember the tests, as Aurelio says, only checked some forms of doping. Many were tested in the 1990s but not for EPO, from 2000 onward an EPO test was introduced, there was no check for blood doping. So even the "most tested athlete in the world", whoever they were, would not be caught, it's like trying to catch someone for fraud using a speed camera.0 -
Grimone wrote:iainf72 wrote:So Lance says.
He's the guy who liked to tell everyone he was "the most tested athlete ever in the history of testing"
Which he wasn't.
You seem sure of that. Who was the most tested then?
As I recall, some of the American track and field athletes were the most tested overall.
There was an article on Velonews a couple of years ago (I think it was Velonews) examining the validity of the claim and the conclusion reached based on the evidence was that Lance didn't even make the top 10. I believe it was for 2004 or 2005.
I'll try find it.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
And we know for a fact these tests are taking place, right? Because I reckon I could sign up for twitter and claim I'd just been tested twenty times. Remember, things aren't always what they seem on the Internet, kids 0
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From reading the above, the feeling is that ...
1) It doesn't matter if he's tested, because the current tests wont catch him
2) He's probably making it up on twitter
3) He'll just disappear for a few days if he needs to take drugs
4) If he comes competitive, we still have no proof
5) If he comes back with poor form, it's because he's not using drugs this time.
6) If he proves not to be the most tested athletes in history, he's lying
Much of that is pathetic. I'm not a 'lance boy' but let's face it - there isn't anything he can in some peoples eyes that would be deemed sufficient. In the meantime, people are asking him to prove his innocence in much the same way you'd ask an atheist to prove god doesn't, and taking lack of definitive prove that he does. That's clearly absurd.
If there's problems with UCI Passport and the current testing protocols, that is hardly the fault of the athlete. Go and moan at them instead
Whilst you're at, moan at this years cheats who ruined the TdF .. .Ricco, Piepoli, Schumacher, Beltran et al. Guys who have been caught using the same set of tests and protocols that Armstrong will be subject to.0 -
Six valid points Ian, and yes, Ricco and the others did spoil this years TDF...But no other cyclist has made anywhere near LA's fortune, let alone on the back of the "survivor" thing.....My partner survived cancer and found Armstrongs first book a real boost during her illness....Ive told her that I believe LA cheated and have shown her all the evidence which I believe backs this up.....I believe its a huge lie at the expense of some vunerable people.....Im 100% sure he will ride 2009 cleanSynapse SL Liquigas, Eddy Mercxx Flyer, Fondriest Evo Sat, Giant XTC, MKM Track. Merida Carbon team Multivan flx, Kinesis HT....0
