VO2Max

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited December 2008 in Pro race
Why does Bassoknow his, yet Lance doesnt know his?
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.

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  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Maybe Armstrong does know his, perhaps he is probably pretending not to know. It would not be the first time he employs denial.
  • micron
    micron Posts: 1,843
    He's such an amnesiac I expect he'll simply 'forget' to ride the Giro
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    If Basso rides the Tour, he'll win.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • Knowing VO2 Max on its own really doesn't tell us much. All the top riders have very high values. If you knew their efficiency as well, and what % of VO2 Max they could sustain for say an hour, then you might have something interesting.

    How much power they produce, their body mass and CdA value for TT work, now that would be sharing lots. And I would suggest these are what Lance is (quite correctly) more interested in.

    IOW publishing VO2 Max data on its own is essentially a red herring.
  • 6288
    6288 Posts: 131
    according to this someone does know LA's Vo2 info ...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/weeki ... 4kola.html

    not much higher than Basso's apparently ...
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    why should he give it when it is just more ammo to use against him. Would you?
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Dave, he says he's keen on transparency.

    When asked by Cycling Weekly he says "I don't know... I did some tests back when I was 16.... I haven't done a test in a long time.... The best I can remember, the low 80s."

    It would be better if he said "it's private medical data / I'm not giving my rivals the info / I don't know but I'll get back to you" etc, instead he brings up "I did some tests when I was 16" which is bizarre as he probably did a lot more tests aged 26 or 32 than he did aged 16?
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    Kléber wrote:
    Dave, he says he's keen on transparency.

    When asked by Cycling Weekly he says "I don't know... I did some tests back when I was 16.... I haven't done a test in a long time.... The best I can remember, the low 80s."

    It would be better if he said "it's private medical data / I'm not giving my rivals the info / I don't know but I'll get back to you" etc, instead he brings up "I did some tests when I was 16" which is bizarre as he probably did a lot more tests aged 26 or 32 than he did aged 16?

    yes, it's not really much of an answer...he must be sick of people trying to prove he doped.
  • If this were QI that siren would keep going off.
  • SpaceJunk
    SpaceJunk Posts: 1,157
    Dave_1 wrote:
    Kléber wrote:
    Dave, he says he's keen on transparency.

    When asked by Cycling Weekly he says "I don't know... I did some tests back when I was 16.... I haven't done a test in a long time.... The best I can remember, the low 80s."

    It would be better if he said "it's private medical data / I'm not giving my rivals the info / I don't know but I'll get back to you" etc, instead he brings up "I did some tests when I was 16" which is bizarre as he probably did a lot more tests aged 26 or 32 than he did aged 16?

    yes, it's not really much of an answer...he must be sick of people trying to prove he doped.

    I'm with Kleber on this one.

    Lance saying he is going to be transparent, only increases the 'ammo' against him anyway.

    After what I've read of LA in recent times - e.g. Vo2 max, chsing Simoni - don't forget he forgot he had a TUE once in the same CS interview - I'm starting to wonder if the guy is suffering from dementia.

    I'm with micron; he'll probably forget that the Giro is even on.
  • On his old website it was listed at 85 I think, googling seems to confirm that number.
  • So why would he say its 82 or 83? Because it is.
    That 85+ figure came out of Coyle's fudged and massaged research.
    Try googling australian with the pair and you'll get this:-
    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/09 ... rrors.html
    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/09 ... ent-2.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/sport ... cling.html

    You won't find figures here, though. :wink:
    Most searches (Wiki etc) have 83.8% listed.
    82 is also the figure printed in those Walsh "hate books", backed up by the evil LeMond.

    Good on him for admitting a fib and fessing up to a lower figure, albeit awkwardly. It's still a high figure, in athletic terms.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Surely VO2 max isn't a constant value. It's ml of oxygen per kilo of bodyweight per minute. So it'll probably vary byas much as 10% just as bodyweight can over a year.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Of course Rich, you'd get the A* in Sports Science.

    For this reason alone, no one can ever be certain of their VO2 max as it could have changed since their last test, even if they did one 15 minutes ago. But a rider could just say "I got about X in my last test" or "I'm usually averaging around Y during the summer", that's helpful.

    But Armstrong gets the E grade with his "I don't know, I did some tests when I was 16" reply.