Ullrich wins suit, denies doping

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited November 2008 in Pro race
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show ... attle.html

Big old cuddly lying Jan.
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.

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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Wow! I believe Jan was clean all along now! After all he's essentially demonstrated that a former team boss can't prove he doped during a 3 month period of the off-season 5 years ago!
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Let's see now. We've got drugs, claims, counter claims. accusations, denials, conspiracy theories, lots of money, reputations at stake on all sides, did I mention lots of money?,
    court hearings, police investigations, possible testing lab problems, invasion of peoples privacy, books(by the ton) claiming to know and tell all, lots and lots of hatred, and one
    rider even mentioned the "Mob". Yet through it all many people on this forum claim to "know" everything that's happening. Hate to say it but I doubt most of them have even
    scratched the surface of what happens out there, good or bad.
    Hmmmmmmm... this is turning out to be a pretty good day.

    Dennis Noward
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Keep up, Den-boy. It's not complicated. Either he doped or he didn't. Now, given all we know about T-Mobile, and all his rivals who've been busted, and his involvement in Puerto (these are all facts, not hearsay) - where's your money going?
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Yup, important, informative piece of news, from Iain.
    Usual post from old Den.
    Why to I get the impression a bit of facist censorship would get the Nowood seal of approval?
    Puerto? what's that, Geography? Must mean the other Rico, surely. :roll:


    I'm not surprised Jan won the case, the weight of proof being Mr Coast's burden.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Yup, important, informative piece of news, from Iain.
    Usual post from old Den
    My thoughts exactly.
  • flattythehurdler
    flattythehurdler Posts: 2,314
    I don't bother responding to him, nor reading his posts if possible. He resorts to personal abuse quite quickly when disagreed with or proven wrong (being well hidden behind his keyboard). I think he is sarah palin and I claim my £5.
    Dan
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    He might be Howard Jacobs.
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    I was just thinking(unusual for me I know) but if so many people, particullary a few on this forum, can spot a cheat a mile away why are there testing labs? Seems much simpler
    to just hire people who can spot cheats using sight, sound, newspaper clippings, or whatever means they have to catch these guys. Think of the money that would be saved.
    Most of these talented "doper spotters" (I like that) don't even have to actually be at the races because they can spot these guys from their home TV. One look and "dope - no dope", a simple phone call, bingo cheater gone. How do I come up with such brilliant ideas?

    Dennis Noward
  • Cunobelin
    Cunobelin Posts: 11,792
    I personally always find this (sadly) amusing,,,,,,Too little evidence for a court of law, but a few people in a cycling forum "know " the "facts" the the court didn't.

    That's alright then - he's guilty - don't bother with courts in future
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    He that buys flesh buys many bones.
    He that buys eggs buys many shells,
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  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    I think the people investigating Operacion Puerto were the ones who spotted that Der Kaiser was a cheat. You might want to ask them for the specifics.

    Of course he could have only started doping at the age of 32, having already been an elite cyclist for over a dozen years coming through the East German programme and T-Mobile. Stranger things have happened.
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    The trial was not whether Ullrich doped during his sporting career, it was whether there was evidence of him doping whilst with the Coast team. There is a wide difference between these two concepts.
  • leguape
    leguape Posts: 986
    It's not like Coast didn't know they were hiring a drink driver with a taste for disco-biscuits at the time is it?

    and as the article states: "The 34-year-old stated under oath that he had not doped between January and March 2003, leaving him open to a prison sentence of at least a year if the contrary is proven at a later stage."

    Which means either he's pretty sure he's not going to get found out or didn't at the time. I'd suggest that in this case, as bizarre as it might seem, Jan was probably less likely to have been at it as he knew that having served one out of competition ban he wouldn't get off so lightly if he was caught in competition soon afterwards.
    http://www.atomicecho.com/cycling
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    flattythehurdler wrote:
    I don't bother responding to him, nor reading his posts if possible. He resorts to personal abuse quite quickly when disagreed with or proven wrong (being well hidden behind his keyboard). I think he is sarah palin and I claim my £5.

    Hmmmmm... personal abuse you say.
    Let's check a few quotes from the "flatty" -
    "I suggested that Ricco was doping during the Giro."
    "LA is a thug."
    ".... you forgot criminal(about Rock Racing)."
    "I agree... Lance is a weapons grade fool."

    Well, maybe I was wrong. Don't really see any personal attacks there. You're good to go.

    Dennis Noward
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Cunobelin wrote:
    I personally always find this (sadly) amusing,,,,,,Too little evidence for a court of law, but a few people in a cycling forum "know " the "facts" the the court didn't.

    That's alright then - he's guilty - don't bother with courts in future

    Well put. Seems to be a bit of "Kill them all, let God sort them out" thing going on.

    Dennis Noward
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Kléber wrote:
    The trial was not whether Ullrich doped during his sporting career, it was whether there was evidence of him doping whilst with the Coast team. There is a wide difference between these two concepts.

    Having seen pictures of Jan every spring for the last 10 years, not only is it clear that he didn't dope between January and March, it is also clear that he didn't ride a bike either.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • leguape
    leguape Posts: 986
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Kléber wrote:
    The trial was not whether Ullrich doped during his sporting career, it was whether there was evidence of him doping whilst with the Coast team. There is a wide difference between these two concepts.

    Having seen pictures of Jan every spring for the last 10 years, not only is it clear that he didn't dope between January and March, it is also clear that he didn't ride a bike either.

    The most depressing thing is that Jan "at the pies" was still not much over 75kg, perhaps pushing 80 in early January. Then by Tour time he'd be down to low 70s. Me, I can go at weight loss like a pushy anorexic and I've still not figured out how to get down from 75 to 70 without forefeeding myself loo roll, but most of the time I'm fighting to stay below 80. :cry:
    http://www.atomicecho.com/cycling
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Cunobelin wrote:
    I personally always find this (sadly) amusing,,,,,,Too little evidence for a court of law, but a few people in a cycling forum "know " the "facts" the the court didn't.

    That's alright then - he's guilty - don't bother with courts in future

    Well, Ullrich paid €1m Euro as an out of court settlement for fraud based on his Puerto links.

    http://www.velonews.com/article/74589

    Why hand over a million if the court can't prove it? Oh wait, is that because his DNA was found in the blood bags in Madrid, there were doping plans in Fuentes files linked to Ullrich and a big old money trail.

    Those are my facts. What do you have?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • DavMartinR
    DavMartinR Posts: 897
    340,000Euro's That's a good pick-up?? Wonder if he is looking to donate it to charity??

    cos I know this cancer charity that is going to go around the world spreading the message next year?? :lol:
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Iain, you can present facts to some but they have their faith and don't want to know!

    The idea that Ullrich rode clean throughout his career is preposterous, it's like saying Elvis never ate a burger or Paul Gascoigne never enjoyed an lager.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    There was fantastic footage on Euronews last night (I know, I'm an economist) of him winning a race in that hideous Coast jersey, alone (like when did he ever win any other way?), tapping the hands of 1,000s of screaming fans along the flat run in, and looking like the cat who ate all the cream. Um Pies. I sometimes forget how damn popular he was.

    I have that hideous Coast jersey. Anyone remember which race? Was Hamburg run early in '03? I refuse to check wiki.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    It was the Rund um Koln or whatever the race is called.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    "Ullrich wins suit" Was it this one?

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  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    andyp wrote:
    It was the Rund um Koln or whatever the race is called.

    Based on the crowd reaction I had a little £5 bet with myself it was in Germany!
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