BBC Radio Negative Segment on Cycling - BBC Reply-Hilarious!
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P.s, just let the anger build and build until some-one cuts you up/ pull out in front etc etc
then get'em :evil:winter beast: http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr34 ... uff016.jpg
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Nice email reply OldSkool.
I wonder if she has read it? Or someone has had a word with her? I heard her speaking this morning, during my ride in, and she spoke to a celebrity cook who actually cycled to the radio station for an interview. I was surprised she didn't give him her personal views on cycling, she only mentioned how dangerous cycling in the city can be. His reply was very balanced and she just kept quite.
Whenever I hear any road/traffic based discussions on the radio (London or LBC) I wait for the first anticycling comment, it's usually within the first ten minutes.0 -
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STEFANOS4784 wrote:Why get wound up? It's something which will never go away :roll: :roll: :arrow:
I have to say, that sitting down, listening to the broadcast again, and then putting together a complaint was quite a cathartic experience. Mrs OSK was a little concerned about me staying up late last night to do it though, particularly as I'd a 5am start this morning. :roll:0 -
I don't have (and don't want) Real Player so I can't hear it, but any station that's looking for phone-in views is basically lowest common denominator chav-culture as far as I'm concerned. Just because the Beeb is funded by us all doesn't mean everyone's opinion counts. It doesn't. There used to be a time people would listen to the radio to develop an opinion from well reasoned arguments from both sides. Now, it's just a gormless divs whose opinions are elevated to a position they don't deserve. The only views that get aried are a) extreme views to get a reaction or b) those shared by the studio staff.
BBC R4 and the World Service are the only stations left that really deliver what they should... and I'm way too young to feel that way. Even R5 is turning into TalkSport. 606, anybody?
As for the lorry driver - if he was behind the cyclist, he needed to wait for the cyclist to clear the roundabout. His fault. Hitting anyone from behind is pretty much nailed on.
Where the lorry driver might have a point is that cyclists really shouldn't be out with headphones on. Depriving yourself of one of your main sensory inputs is pretty stupid. That doesn't give the lorry driver any leeway, though. It's a separate point. I see a lot of people riding around London with 'phones in.0 -
'Kona... tried to listen but its in that stupid real player format and couldnt. Anyone know if its online in a different format (flash, youtube, mp3 etc?)??
I dont feel I can complain unless I hear it myself... though tbh I have officially complained about so many other things lately, lol
I think we should all start calling this "road racism based on vehicle". Plenty of other minority groups have had s*** flung at them in the past, time this was adressed properly - after all you wouldnt say "jews are all greedy" or "black people are all criminals", so why "cyclists are all a***holes for x, y and z"
Its the same thing. And as soon as people realise we can wipe it out.0 -
downfader wrote:'Kona... tried to listen but its in that stupid real player format and couldnt. Anyone know if its online in a different format (flash, youtube, mp3 etc?)??
I dont feel I can complain unless I hear it myself... though tbh I have officially complained about so many other things lately, lol
I think we should all start calling this "road racism based on vehicle". Plenty of other minority groups have had s*** flung at them in the past, time this was adressed properly - after all you wouldnt say "jews are all greedy" or "black people are all criminals", so why "cyclists are all a***holes for x, y and z"
Its the same thing. And as soon as people realise we can wipe it out.
I know you're trying to make a point bit it is rather different. Racial (or religeous) generalisation are aimed at groups who can't change what they are. We are not forced to cycle.
But, unfortunately my main point is that when a pedestrian (mainly in London) I am sure there are cyclists who travel responsibly and obey the law, but I seldom see them.... most seem to barge through red lights - expecting peds to get out of the way - and geneerally cycle very poorly. As I say, I am sure there are some who don't as most of the comments made in this forum imply, however the 'good posters' here represent a very small percentage of the cyclists in and around London... hence the overwhelming bad press unfortunately. Two days ago I was in a car in Billericay queing in the town centre at ped lights, two cycles whizzed past on red (these were not young kids by the way but 30-40 year olds), first swerved around a pedestrian on the crossing and 5 secs later another did same but hit the lady on the crossing :evil:0 -
cjw wrote:downfader wrote:'Kona... tried to listen but its in that stupid real player format and couldnt. Anyone know if its online in a different format (flash, youtube, mp3 etc?)??
I dont feel I can complain unless I hear it myself... though tbh I have officially complained about so many other things lately, lol
I think we should all start calling this "road racism based on vehicle". Plenty of other minority groups have had s*** flung at them in the past, time this was adressed properly - after all you wouldnt say "jews are all greedy" or "black people are all criminals", so why "cyclists are all a***holes for x, y and z"
Its the same thing. And as soon as people realise we can wipe it out.
I know you're trying to make a point bit it is rather different. Racial (or religeous) generalisation are aimed at groups who can't change what they are. We are not forced to cycle.
True, we can change, but the point I'm trying to make is that the generalisations, ignorance and vitriol is the same... and often spoken from the minds of people who could become worryingly more extreme in opinion.But, unfortunately my main point is that when a pedestrian (mainly in London) I am sure there are cyclists who travel responsibly and obey the law, but I seldom see them.... most seem to barge through red lights - expecting peds to get out of the way - and geneerally cycle very poorly. As I say, I am sure there are some who don't as most of the comments made in this forum imply, however the 'good posters' here represent a very small percentage of the cyclists in and around London... hence the overwhelming bad press unfortunately. Two days ago I was in a car in Billericay queing in the town centre at ped lights, two cycles whizzed past on red (these were not young kids by the way but 30-40 year olds), first swerved around a pedestrian on the crossing and 5 secs later another did same but hit the lady on the crossing :evil:
I see people of all ages doing naughty things. It would be nice if a few bobbies would jump out of the bushes and deal with it... or perhaps peds should all carry walking sticks, umbrellas, etc, and when they do go through ped crossings if the brolley accidentally ends up in the wheel... well. :shock:0 -
downfader wrote:I ... or perhaps peds should all carry walking sticks, umbrellas, etc, and when they do go through ped crossings if the brolley accidentally ends up in the wheel... well. :shock:
Interesting... you have come to a similar view to one Matthew Paris :shock:
I just wish cyclists would not see themselves as above the law so fully agree with your enforcement view.0 -
cjw wrote:downfader wrote:I ... or perhaps peds should all carry walking sticks, umbrellas, etc, and when they do go through ped crossings if the brolley accidentally ends up in the wheel... well. :shock:
Interesting... you have come to a similar view to one Matthew Paris :shock:
I just wish cyclists would not see themselves as above the law so fully agree with your enforcement view.
Mathew Paris. :shock:
..who is he again? LMAO!0 -
Fully support the argument that there are a lot of people on bikes who break the road rules and I wish the police would pull them up, the same way I wish the police would pull up the large number of drivers I see using their mobile phone while driving.
However, the point of the OP is that here's a radio presenter, in a position to influence opinions, giving very negative comments towards cyclist on a radio station listened to by a lot of the lorry, taxi and bus drivers who use the roads of London.
Without challenging the tone of the segment (and downfader its a shame you can't hear it as its all in the tone) by raising a complaint, she will continue to do so on future broadcasts. Remember, the original segment in the broadcast was about road safety for cyclists and it was hijacked by this presenter pushing her views.
As far as I know, we have at least 3 complaints lodged - only 34,997 to go!
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Hooray, I've got my reponse for my complaint to the BBC regarding the negative BBC Radio London piece on cycling (see earlier posts). Glad to see they take complaints so seriously and actually read them... NOT!BBC Complaints wrote:Thank you for your e-mail.
We note your concerns regarding comments made by Jeremy Clarkson during 'Top Gear' on 02 November. This issue was raised with Executive Producer Andy Wilman who has made the following statement.
"Top Gear is BBC Two's long-running motoring show and its audience has clear expectations of Jeremy Clarkson's long-established and frequently provocative on-screen persona and exaggerated humour.
These references did not go out without the BBC giving them careful consideration and we did not intend to cause offence.
We took the view that their inclusion was justified as we were taking an urban myth about the world of lorry driving, and then exaggerating it to an absurd level. The comments should be seen within the context of the programme."
Please be assured, however, that we have registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.
Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact us.
Regards
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OldSkoolKona wrote:Hooray, I've got my reponse for my complaint to the BBC regarding the negative BBC Radio London piece on cycling (see earlier posts). Glad to see they take complaints so seriously and actually read them... NOT!BBC Complaints wrote:Thank you for your e-mail.
We note your concerns regarding comments made by Jeremy Clarkson during 'Top Gear' on 02 November. This issue was raised with Executive Producer Andy Wilman who has made the following statement.
"Top Gear is BBC Two's long-running motoring show and its audience has clear expectations of Jeremy Clarkson's long-established and frequently provocative on-screen persona and exaggerated humour.
These references did not go out without the BBC giving them careful consideration and we did not intend to cause offence.
We took the view that their inclusion was justified as we were taking an urban myth about the world of lorry driving, and then exaggerating it to an absurd level. The comments should be seen within the context of the programme."
Please be assured, however, that we have registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.
Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact us.
Regards
BBC Complaints
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Hmmm. Guess it could have been worse, at least it was road related - they could have apologised for Brand and Ross... :roll:0 -
OldSkoolKona wrote:Hooray, I've got my reponse for my complaint to the BBC regarding the negative BBC Radio London piece on cycling (see earlier posts). Glad to see they take complaints so seriously and actually read them... NOT!BBC Complaints wrote:Thank you for your e-mail.
We note your concerns regarding comments made by Jeremy Clarkson during 'Top Gear' on 02 November. This issue was raised with Executive Producer Andy Wilman who has made the following statement.
"Top Gear is BBC Two's long-running motoring show and its audience has clear expectations of Jeremy Clarkson's long-established and frequently provocative on-screen persona and exaggerated humour.
These references did not go out without the BBC giving them careful consideration and we did not intend to cause offence.
We took the view that their inclusion was justified as we were taking an urban myth about the world of lorry driving, and then exaggerating it to an absurd level. The comments should be seen within the context of the programme."
Please be assured, however, that we have registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.
Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact us.
Regards
BBC Complaints
Brilliant. Perhaps you could forward that to "Points of View" with a "why oh why" type letter. After all, thanks to the unique way the BBC is funded...0 -
That's absolutely apalling. Not only the original broadcast, but that complete insult of a reply to your email.
That to me says it's time to go one better than a polite letter to the BBC. You ought to take your complaint about the show, and the perfunctory response you got to that email elsewhere. Preferably somewhere where it will be made public. Write a letter to several cycling magazines for a start.Drink poison. Wrestle snakes.0 -
The BBC is run by its trustees, so if you can find contact details for them then they're a good place to complain.0
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biondino wrote:The BBC is run by its trustees, so if you can find contact details for them then they're a good place to complain.
Arent Offsted or someone also technically over them too? :?
I cant beleive the reply, thats really shocking, mak a youtube video blog and spam it about? Perhaps a few letters to the Observer, Times and so on. The Sun have it in for the beeb at the moment, so perhaps jump on that band wagon too? 0 -
That'll confuse the Sun readers. Do they side with the BBC 'National institution' etc etc or with cyclists 'red light jumbers, pavement anarchists' blah blah blah.0
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That's Outrageous!!
I can understand what the fuss about the Ross/Brand saga was now - the BBC should be more accountable to the people that fund it. If they don't take complaints seriously then really they deserve the sh*t storm that they recently had.
However difficult it is taking into account everyones opinion, whether that be pro-this or anti-that the BBC can't just ignore the fact that the public, and their views are relevant, especially when that same public is essentially paying for those views to be broadcast.
With newspapers and other media you can vote with your pocket - not with the BBC though - we're stuck with them. I'd take the complaint further - make a complaint about the compliant. Write a letter highlighting it to one of the newspaper media sections too - they'd love it!0 -
Make a complaint about a complaint? Will that get a standardised response as well?
Could end up like the logic loop I had with the CTC relating to being endlessly asked for a postcode I can't supply because it doesn't exist. Fourth time around I complain about this and they just ask for my postcode again!'Twas Mulga Bill, from Eaglehawk, that caught the cycling craze....0 -
It was the reply that the guy from cyclechat got that made me laugh. It was along the lines of "...its ok, she can be nasty because Paul Ross is nice.."
Well thats ok then. :roll:0 -
Has anyone ever complained about Points of View? I think that would be fun.0
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Always Tyred wrote:Has anyone ever complained about Points of View? I think that would be fun.
When martin vine took over thgere were a raft of them.0 -
Were they aired on a special screening of Points of Points of View View?downfader wrote:Always Tyred wrote:Has anyone ever complained about Points of View? I think that would be fun.
When martin vine took over thgere were a raft of them.0 -
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I've already complained to Ofcom about this - no response yet!0
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Mrs EMD works in the legal department for one of the BIG broadcasters (not naming them) and she assures me that every case has to be followed up, no matter how strange.0
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I'll put together a complaint for OfCom.
On the BBC front, I replied to the email that I posted above, and got a standard email back, saying that replies to this address were deleted and to raise an issue, I had to go through, you've guessed it, the online complaints form. Could get somewhat circular! Fortunately I kept a copy of the original complaint...0 -
Hilarious actions over on London Fixed:
http://www.londonfgss.com/thread12487.html
Another guy got the Top Gear response!! However, it appears that JoAnne is aware of the complaints made against her:
http://www.londonfgss.com/post381719-121.html
I got a response from OfCom - they did conceed that she said 'it ought to be a lesson to the cyclist' but they stated that they 'do not feel that these comments have exceeded the expectations of the general audience or likely to have caused significant offence'. Obviously a stock reply as they didn't comment on the fact the BBC had responded to a complaint against the wrong program which I'd highlighted in my complaint to OfCom.
I also recomplained to the BBC about my original complaint - will probably get a reply about John Sargeant! :shock:0
