Global Warming going a bit cold.

unclemalc

"More and more evidence that goes against the AGW Zealots' preachings."

Adam - you should read the some of the links-within-links in some of those debunking stories....! It is fun when the debunking is debunked.

Like I said,(i) trying to prove 'GW is real' is hard because its dealing with what's happening now compared to the past, and the two scenarios ain't the same...

I personally am a firm believer in GW and that it will result in increasing climate grief overall. I am worried about it because I have young kids.
Like I said (ii) lets renew this in 10 years time - you can wear the 'See I was right t-shirt, I'll be in the 'I told you so' number.

dennisn

I would remind all of you that don't believe in global warming to remember who actually
discovered it. None other than the inventor of the Internet and former Vice President of
The United States, Al Gore. How could anyone doubt it now? Really, the man who claimed to invent the Internet must know what he's talking about and he was an honest politician. :roll: :roll: :roll:



Dennis Noward

OffTheBackAdam

I believe that climate changes, it's obvious the climate changes, it's the question as to what, if anything, our contribution to it is.
We've had about 10 years of global cooling, despite CO2 still rising. This is something that the climate models haven't predicted & can't explain.
The models all predict an increase in temperature at levels in the atmosphere above ground level, this hasn't been observed either.
So, either the models are wrong, the observations are wrong or a combination of both.
We have the likes of the WWF getting in on the act (The wildlife lot, not the sham-wrestling lot) predicting loss of all arctic ice, claiming it's never happened before and Branson's son & some other rich idiot trying to kayak to the North Pole, claiming that when they got stuck in the ice (With their 600 ton trawler mother ship, chugging along behind, so they've got a nice warm bed to sleep in) it's the furthest north anyone's ever kayaked, when the extent of the sea ice is back to 2005 levels already and an expedition in 1922 got 1 degree further north.
We've evidence of less ice 5,000 years ago and a suggestion that during the early 1400s, Chinese may well have circumnavigated Greenland, let alone the Norse colonising it.
CO2 models can't explain the Holocene Climatic Optimum, nor the Medieval Warm Period, nor the Little Ice Age.
We're told that weather will become more extreme, when it hasn't and any one who dares to demonstrate a contrary position to AGW is decried as being "In the pay of big oil".
We've seen fraudulent use of data, in the way of the "Hockey-stick" chart, that the authors were loathed to release their methodology behind, and as soon as they do release it, it's demonstrated that you can put in random numbers from a phone book and get the same result.
We've got goverments using the AGW as an excuse to tax us, but won't modify their ways (The European Parliament still merrily trots it and its baggage between Brussels & Strasbourg)
We're told that we must cut emissions, no other ways of ameliorating the climate change are looked at, we're told that squillions of old people will die in hot summers, no mention of many more that won't die because winters are warmer.
The evidence for a large contribution from our activities to the global climate is weak and gets weaker every year.

jerry3571

Ok I know I said I was not going to contribute but I have been reading the New Scientist magazine (between Cycling Mags of course) but there is a large piece about GW and Economic Growth. Almost impossible to not have one without the other. Tell Gordon as he thinks otherwise. Good reading.
Cheers Jerry

wicked

This thread is a seemingly endless stream of spurious quotes for and against climate change.
We can all quote statistics to "prove" whatever we choose to believe.
Just because "scientists" say it does not make it so, they are wrong on a regular basis and are guessing the future because NO-ONE knows.
Now mods please lock this thread and all you tree huggers and sceptics go and ride a bike (this is a cycling forum).

Get a life.FFS.

jerry3571

I think we've ran out of gas anyway. I've put loads of stuff about cycling and bikes and so have the others, I guess, so feel free to look at them. Maybe you could agree or not that the Tour of Lombardy coverage is rubbish as you don't get to see the fantastic scenery. If it was french telly then you would. Nah, don't worry about answering as no one else did when I posted that question.
Whilst that was in mind, Cunego likes to have a tattoo on his arm spouting his drug free lifestyle. The Tour of Lombardy this year was the fastest on record. Hmmm...
lots of questions and so few answers...
Ciao!