losing weight commuting

Cantdosleepy

Good luck to all on this, thoughts are with anyone battling with or recovering from an eating disorder. Tough stuff.

Lots of good advice here, Gaz, but as a general rule I'd say:

Advice from your doctor > Advice from people on the internet.

But keep alert and don't be afraid to raise any issues mentioned here with him.

secretsam

I'm not going to read all of this, especially the fight between the Gregs, which I assume goes on beyond page 2.

I'm just glad I'm not the only fat f&cker posting on here :twisted:

peanut

chromehoof wrote:

Your body needs to be digesting food regularly to keep it ticking over and to keep the digestion process efficient. If you starve yourself, the next time you eat your body may not digest as quickly as it should. It may store more fat than it should with the result being that you will not get maximum benefit from the food you eat.


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A lot of what you say makes sense but I would like to open the debate about fat storage.
I would suggest that the fat storage process is a natural part of every predatory mammal's metabolism and genetic makeup. Take any carnovore you like and you'll find they have the same process .There is nothing un natural or unhealthy about the fat storage process in our bodies.
Its a natural survival process which has evolved over millions of years.

There is nothing wrong with going without food for a day or two and then pigging out providing the foods are healthy and natural foods.This is how 90% of the animal kingdom live and survive. Just look at lions !Our bodies are still essentially stoneage bodies, genetically no differant from Neanderthals.

If you imagine for a minute that you were dumped 1000 miles from the shops with no provisions, how regular do you think your meals are going to be ? We would eat what we caught ,trapped, picked and killed . Sometimes pigging out on meat sometimes barely surviving on berries and roots. That is essentially what our bodies have evolved to do.

The NRA recommended daily calorie intake in my opinion is very questionable at best.

Jen J

peanut wrote:

There is nothing wrong with going without food for a day or two and then pigging out providing the foods are healthy and natural foods.This is how 90% of the animal kingdom live and survive. Just look at lions !Our bodies are still essentially stoneage bodies, genetically no differant from Neanderthals.

I'll refrain from taking the bait for the rest of your posts, but at the risk of stating the obvious, can I just point out that;

a. we are not lions - and we have evolved way past neanderthals
b. lions tend to lie around doing nothing unless they are hunting for their next meal. If someone lies in bed all day, then starving themselves for a day probably wouldn't harm them much. But most of us tend to be a little more active than that.

Plus most humans are not carnivores - omnivores or herbivores usually. Look at horses - they are herbivores and graze all day.

biondino

If I eat 2500 calories a day and neither put weight on nor lose it then I'm pretty happy to say 2500 calories a day is what I "need".

LOL at the concept of saying "none of you lot have any scientific backing for your comments" and then launching into a paranoid rant which contains, uh, no scientific backing.

Tell me how close I am here - you're an angry right wing male who's sick of being told what to do by people who claim to know better and, despite the lack of any logic beyond flawed "common sense" - we're nothing like neanderthals, which is hardly surprising since we're a separate species - is still happy to flail impotently at people and organisations who, no matter what motivation or agenda they have for doing so, suggest you may want to reconsider some of the ways in which you live your life.

Personally, I've already outlived the average caveman and I put it all down to taking note of what health professionals suggest might be good/bad for me. Doesn't mean they're right all the time, but fortunately I'm savvy enough to think about what I'm doing rather than apoplectically damning anyone who thinks I don't know best how to look after myself.

chromehoof

Jen J wrote:

peanut wrote:

There is nothing wrong with going without food for a day or two and then pigging out providing the foods are healthy and natural foods.This is how 90% of the animal kingdom live and survive. Just look at lions !Our bodies are still essentially stoneage bodies, genetically no differant from Neanderthals.

I'll refrain from taking the bait for the rest of your posts, but at the risk of stating the obvious, can I just point out that;

a. we are not lions - and we have evolved way past neanderthals
b. lions tend to lie around doing nothing unless they are hunting for their next meal. If someone lies in bed all day, then starving themselves for a day probably wouldn't harm them much. But most of us tend to be a little more active than that.

Plus most humans are not carnivores - omnivores or herbivores usually. Look at horses - they are herbivores and graze all day.

I think as well as this, your body tends to adapt to the situations it finds itself in. Like, back in less civilised times it was beneficial to store more fat, partly because of reasons you suggest, and partly for an extra layer of warmth in the winter.

It is probably a little naive to compare people to other mammals, though it is an interesting point. We are now in a position, thanks to being as civilised as we are, to plan our diets and choose when we eat. As a result our bodies become accustomed to expecting food every so often and will operate accordingly. Starvation will fool the body into thinking it is not going to get food again anytime soon, and again it acts accordingly. In this case your metabolism will slow right down, and fat storage increases.

I do agree that fat storage is not always a bad thing. But not many of us will be spending long periods of time away from civilisation and only need so much in store. In general terms I think the points I made make a lot of sense (for me anyway).

I've tried the starvation thing by the way. I monitored my weight quite closely. I also did the eat small and eat often thing. Its amazing, in both cases my weight was pretty much the same. In the latter case I was mentally more contented. Its certainly the way forward for me anyway.

gb155

chromehoof and Cantdosleepy, Thanks for the kind words, Did another 15 miles today, got my time down to 23 mins each way (7.5 miles) but yes it HURT, Tomorrow I will do an endurance ride in the morning, Around 12 miles

peanut

Jen J wrote:

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we have evolved way past neanderthals
b. lions tend to lie around doing nothing unless they are hunting for their next meal. If someone lies in bed all day, then starving themselves for a day probably wouldn't harm them much. But most of us tend to be a little more active than that.

Plus most humans are not carnivores - omnivores or herbivores usually. Look at horses - they are herbivores and graze all day.

you miss the point completly Jen. You are looking at our bodies as if they have evolved to eat the crap we get from the local co-op

We are talking here about our physiological make up ....not mental emotional or psychological processes ,.
We are not talking about our lifestyles or jobs or any of that either

Our bodies have not evolved much at all from the Neanderthals.We have practically completed analysing thegene code of stoneage man Do a little reading and research as I have done and you'l see I'm right. Do you honestly believe that our digestive systems and metabolism is that different from that of stone age man ?

Yes we are omnivores but we are definitely not herbivores. Our teeth, digestive systems and metabolism are made to digest and survive primarily on meat. That is to say it is not impossible to survive without meat today because we have loads of vitimin and mineral supplements and processed foods available to compensate
How long do you think you would survive in the wild on berries and roots without any meat products ?

cjcp

gb155 wrote:

chromehoof and Cantdosleepy, Thanks for the kind words, Did another 15 miles today, got my time down to 23 mins each way (7.5 miles) but yes it HURT, Tomorrow I will do an endurance ride in the morning, Around 12 miles

Keep it up, Gaz!

biondino

Mate, seriously, if you're going to quote scientific information and expect to sound credible you've got to stop asserting that we descended from neanderthals. We didn't.

Jen J

peanut wrote:

Jen J wrote:

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we have evolved way past neanderthals
b. lions tend to lie around doing nothing unless they are hunting for their next meal. If someone lies in bed all day, then starving themselves for a day probably wouldn't harm them much. But most of us tend to be a little more active than that.

Plus most humans are not carnivores - omnivores or herbivores usually. Look at horses - they are herbivores and graze all day.

you miss the point completly Jen. You are looking at our bodies as if they have evolved to eat the crap we get from the local co-op

We are talking here about our physiological make up ....not mental emotional or psychological processes ,.
We are not talking about our lifestyles or jobs or any of that either

Our bodies have not evolved much at all from the Neanderthals.We have practically completed analysing thegene code of stoneage man Do a little reading and research as I have done and you'l see I'm right. Do you honestly believe that our digestive systems and metabolism is that different from that of stone age man ?

Yes we are omnivores but we are definitely not herbivores. Our teeth, digestive systems and metabolism are made to digest and survive primarily on meat. That is to say it is not impossible to survive without meat today because we have loads of vitimin and mineral supplements and processed foods available to compensate
How long do you think you would survive in the wild on berries and roots without any meat products ?

Your earlier posts suggested we shouldn't believe all we read, but now you're suggesting I need to read more. I'm very confused. :?

I guess I'll just get back to cycling. Maybe via the local Co-op to buy some more crap...

Jen J

gb155 wrote:

chromehoof and Cantdosleepy, Thanks for the kind words, Did another 15 miles today, got my time down to 23 mins each way (7.5 miles) but yes it HURT, Tomorrow I will do an endurance ride in the morning, Around 12 miles

Well done speedy

Clever Pun

biondino wrote:

Mate, seriously, if you're going to quote scientific information and expect to sound credible you've got to stop asserting that we descended from neanderthals. We didn't.

Creationist eh?

gb155

Cheers cjcp and Jen, It felt really good, Legs are sore as hell now, Need a long soak in the bath me thinks.

Gaz

peanut

biondino wrote:

Mate, seriously, if you're going to quote scientific information and expect to sound credible you've got to stop asserting that we descended from neanderthals. We didn't.

sorry if you are not happy about it but the latest scientific evidence suggests that Neanderthals didn't die out or get slaughtered by modern man but actually mated with modern man and their genes were assimilated.
Recent breakthough in gene de-coding has identified genetic codes of Neanderthals in modern stoneage man.

Heres an article here
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-neanderthal-murder-mystery-888276.html
Also an interesting article in this months National Geographic
The truth of the matter is we don't know for sure anymore than we know anything for certain about anything
If you study science and medicine etc beyond degree level you realise everything we know about everything is constantly evolving as new technology and fresh evidence allows us to learn more about ourselves and our ancesters.

But none of this alters the fact that essentially our dijestive systems and physiological makeup are the same as those of stoneage man.Our bodies are not ideally suited to the foods we eat today[/url]

biondino

My body is ideally suited to pizza.

linsen

I would say that on the whole my body resists change - I have tried eating less / more / less often / more often and exercising enormous amounts and in the last ten years my weight has fluctuated by only a few pounds.
I think the bigger issue is being sensible about what you eat - if I listen to my body it regulates the amounts quite effectively. Junk food can trick the body into thinking it needs / wants more than it does.

And there's this too ...

My friend's dad was involved in a plane crash which he survived. When asked what had gone through his mind when he thought he was going to die, he said "I wished I'd eaten more ice-cream"

We all need some perspective

gb155

Did a total of 20 miles today, This morning I was chasing someone for 5 miles, fianlly passed them as I got to work EXHAUSTED, We were going at it hammer and nails.

Then tonight myself and another commuter were swapping the positions for a good 4 miles before I gave up on the hill before home, Another mile later and I arrived home, I couldnt see and was a wonky cyclest, I belive thats what they call a boink ?

Well im showered and my bag is ready for the morning, Think I will take it easy though lol.

cjcp

gb155 wrote:

Did a total of 20 miles today, This morning I was chasing someone for 5 miles, fianlly passed them as I got to work EXHAUSTED, We were going at it hammer and nails.

Then tonight myself and another commuter were swapping the positions for a good 4 miles before I gave up on the hill before home, Another mile later and I arrived home, I couldnt see and was a wonky cyclest, I belive thats what they call a boink ?

Well im showered and my bag is ready for the morning, Think I will take it easy though lol.

AHEM! A point of order: this should be on the SCR thread!

gb155

cjcp wrote:

gb155 wrote:

Did a total of 20 miles today, This morning I was chasing someone for 5 miles, fianlly passed them as I got to work EXHAUSTED, We were going at it hammer and nails.

Then tonight myself and another commuter were swapping the positions for a good 4 miles before I gave up on the hill before home, Another mile later and I arrived home, I couldnt see and was a wonky cyclest, I belive thats what they call a boink ?

Well im showered and my bag is ready for the morning, Think I will take it easy though lol.

AHEM! A point of order: this should be on the SCR thread!

See, So tired I can see what topic im on lol.

cjcp

gb155 wrote:

cjcp wrote:

gb155 wrote:

Did a total of 20 miles today, This morning I was chasing someone for 5 miles, fianlly passed them as I got to work EXHAUSTED, We were going at it hammer and nails.

Then tonight myself and another commuter were swapping the positions for a good 4 miles before I gave up on the hill before home, Another mile later and I arrived home, I couldnt see and was a wonky cyclest, I belive thats what they call a boink ?

Well im showered and my bag is ready for the morning, Think I will take it easy though lol.

AHEM! A point of order: this should be on the SCR thread!

See, So tired I can see what topic im on lol.

M.
T.
F.
U.

and get on to the other thread.

gb155

LMAO, Good point, COPY AND PASTE here we go.

cjcp

That's better.

sc999cs

gb155 wrote:

Did a total of 20 miles today,

At this rate you'll be ready for Audax rides soon.

sc999cs

Just my pet theory about weight loss to throw into the arguments earlier. We are animals (as opposed to plants or minerals) and we need to draw parallels between our selves and animals. Society has evolved rapidly in the last two hundred years whereas our bodies haven't evolved (evolved with a small e) at the same rate.

In nature there are two main food seasons, famine and plenty (Winter and Summer). In times of plenty we eat, and our bodies store the food as fat in preparation for the next famine period. During the famine period we use our stored fat to survive. The following plenty period we start eating and again put weight on in preparation for the next famine.

Due to the way food is manufactured and supplied in large quantities we are now in a permanent period of plenty.

If you go on a crash diet you force your body into a famine period and you burn stored fat to survive and loose weight. However as soon as you end the diet your body thinks 'time of plenty' and starts to rapidly store food in preparation for the next famine period. This is why crash diets don't work and dieters put weight back on as soon as they finish dieting.

To loose weight you have to avoid getting into a famine / plenty cycle. To do this you shouldn't necessarily reduce the amount you eat too much (otherwise you go into famine mode and start the cycle off), but need to increase your energy expenditure instead so that energy out is greater than calories in.

As I said my pet theory. It may be wrong but there are so many parallels in nature (tortoises, polar bears etc).

Apologies if I've spelt 'loose' wrongly through out and should have used 'lose' but I'm enjoying a glass of wine at the moment