FIlth written about Armstrong

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Patrick1.0 wrote:

Why do people make such a huge deal about hematocrit? If you have one of 42 is it possible to take it up to 47/8 before an event like the Tour by using an altitude tent and by training in the high mountains? I am not inviting anybody to come out with all the pros and cons, I just want a straight yes or no. Is that possible?

not its not. Look at all the natural crits in the Tour. Coming in at 43.

Why would you come in at 43, when all you need to do is get a tent, or go to atiltude?

The crit is vital. The problems about this are, riders shoot themselves in the foot, highlighting the value of the crit, then justifying the jacking via altitude and a tent. If that was so, it would be the most simple advantage to neutralise. Everyone would be in the Canaries.

Dont be gullible folks. If it was that easy everyone would come in at 49 would not they?

oldwelshman

I used to like LA but over the last few years comes over a a bit of a txxat and a control freak.
I do not mind he is back and if he rides TDF so be it.
I do not think he will get the respect he had in the past from current riders and he has more to loose than gain so really cannot see why he is coming back.
He is no fool, he obviously knows his fitness levels and power outputs and I do not believe for one minute he would not come back if he did not think he would be competative at the top, but remember he will not have the backup of a doped team of super doms ( not the doms some of you may think of lol) and I am sure there will be loads of young scalp hunters wanting ro take him on, AC for one.
So I can see postives and negatives for his come back and am sure the French will be very supportive, but at least it will be interesting

BilgeRat

Damn! I hoped from the title of this thread that “filth” might contain some salacious details regarding his bedroom antics or outing of his deviant predilection for young women.

Sheesh! No such luck. Just the same old people with creepy fixations taking umbrage at their idol getting ‘bashed’. Hello? Never heard of ‘tall poppies’? Don’t you know that prominent and successful individuals who combine this with the odious ingredients of overweening arrogance and egocentricity are just begging to be chainsawed off at the knees!

diarmuid

Armstrong is clean, his secret is that he's Superman with amean streak

PS What's the sarcasm emoticon?

rapid_uphill

i find this thread more annoying than interesting i hope it dies soon.
the same questions just get asked over and over again
armstrong is filth. and theres not much you can do about that.

singlespeedexplosif

but remember he will not have the backup of a doped team of super doms

what gives you that impression?

singlespeedexplosif

major cancer

I've not come across that kind yet in my work.

idaviesmoore

I looooove this forum.....it's like a teenage slasher movie.

I can leave the room at any time and stay away for a s long as I want but when I come back I know I'll be able to pick up the plot easy

Great entertainment and cheaper than Sky+

idaviesmoore

rapid_uphill wrote:

armstrong is filth..

Bwaaaaahaaaahaaaahaaaahaaaa !!!!!!

DavMartinR

If I had bought a nice Trek bike and the USPS team kit, and the Disco team kit. I would be holding on too any thread of hope the LA was clean.

Says he rolling his CSC jeresy over his beer belly and cocking his leg over a nice Crevelo???

rapid_uphill

dont think i have ever seen a "nice" trek

DavMartinR wrote:

If I had bought a nice Trek bike and the USPS team kit, and the Disco team kit. I would be holding on too any thread of hope the LA was clean.

Says he rolling his CSC jeresy over his beer belly and cocking his leg over a nice Crevelo???

pollys_bott

Patrick1.0 wrote:

Why do people make such a huge deal about hematocrit? If you have one of 42 is it possible to take it up to 47/8 before an event like the Tour by using an altitude tent and by training in the high mountains? I am not inviting anybody to come out with all the pros and cons, I just want a straight yes or no. Is that possible?

A further question. I was watching a preview show on Eurosport a few days before the 2003 race and the morning's news was that the entire USPS team had had their HCT levels tested and they had all come in at 49. Is this likely? That nine individuals can be legally trained in such a way that they end up with the same HCT?

method

Pollys Bott wrote:

Patrick1.0 wrote:

Why do people make such a huge deal about hematocrit? If you have one of 42 is it possible to take it up to 47/8 before an event like the Tour by using an altitude tent and by training in the high mountains? I am not inviting anybody to come out with all the pros and cons, I just want a straight yes or no. Is that possible?

A further question. I was watching a preview show on Eurosport a few days before the 2003 race and the morning's news was that the entire USPS team had had their HCT levels tested and they had all come in at 49. Is this likely? That nine individuals can be legally trained in such a way that they end up with the same HCT?

I would say its physically possible that they all had naturally high HCT, but also highly unlikely. Its like the comment that an infinite amount of monkeys with typewriters will eventually write War & Peace.

timoid.

Pollys Bott wrote:

Patrick1.0 wrote:

Why do people make such a huge deal about hematocrit? If you have one of 42 is it possible to take it up to 47/8 before an event like the Tour by using an altitude tent and by training in the high mountains? I am not inviting anybody to come out with all the pros and cons, I just want a straight yes or no. Is that possible?

A further question. I was watching a preview show on Eurosport a few days before the 2003 race and the morning's news was that the entire USPS team had had their HCT levels tested and they had all come in at 49. Is this likely? That nine individuals can be legally trained in such a way that they end up with the same HCT?

Its possible, but the chances are unbelievably remote.


Also, altitude training and/or and oxygen tent will not raise your hct by more than a couple of points at most. Any jump of 7 points is to be viewed as strong circumstantial proof of doping.

andy_wrx

BilgeRat wrote:

Damn! I hoped from the title of this thread that “filth” might contain some salacious details regarding his bedroom antics or outing of his deviant predilection for young women.

Well he's had a succession of wives & girlfriends who look just like his mother...

pollys_bott

Timoid. wrote:

Pollys Bott wrote:

Patrick1.0 wrote:

Why do people make such a huge deal about hematocrit? If you have one of 42 is it possible to take it up to 47/8 before an event like the Tour by using an altitude tent and by training in the high mountains? I am not inviting anybody to come out with all the pros and cons, I just want a straight yes or no. Is that possible?

A further question. I was watching a preview show on Eurosport a few days before the 2003 race and the morning's news was that the entire USPS team had had their HCT levels tested and they had all come in at 49. Is this likely? That nine individuals can be legally trained in such a way that they end up with the same HCT?

Its possible, but the chances are unbelievably remote.


Also, altitude training and/or and oxygen tent will not raise your hct by more than a couple of points at most. Any jump of 7 points is to be viewed as strong circumstantial proof of doping.

To play Devil's advocate then - it would be easier to get nine individual HCTs to 49 by controlled blood micro-dosing rather than by conventional training? Allegedly...

leguape

micron wrote:

Of course the flaw in your argument is that Team GB are involved in a very different type of effort as track cyclists preparing for a much shorter distance events than endurance cyclists training for the rigours of 3 week long Tours.

Really, so there's no benefit to be had from being agble to train longer and harder? EPO was on the BALCO list and Vic Conte's list of stuff he used on Dwain Chambers. You can recover at a higher level, as for "endurance", erm, pursuit, points race, madison?

So actually not a flawed argument at all.

liversedge

andy_wrx wrote:

BilgeRat wrote:

Damn! I hoped from the title of this thread that “filth” might contain some salacious details regarding his bedroom antics or outing of his deviant predilection for young women.

Well he's had a succession of wives & girlfriends who look just like his mother...

Brings a whole new meaning to MILF.

I'll get my coat.

micron

leguape wrote:

micron wrote:

Of course the flaw in your argument is that Team GB are involved in a very different type of effort as track cyclists preparing for a much shorter distance events than endurance cyclists training for the rigours of 3 week long Tours.

Really, so there's no benefit to be had from being agble to train longer and harder? EPO was on the BALCO list and Vic Conte's list of stuff he used on Dwain Chambers. You can recover at a higher level, as for "endurance", erm, pursuit, points race, madison?

So actually not a flawed argument at all.

Cunobelin wrote 'All the same circumstances apply to Team GB' - quite clearly they don't, unless Team GB are training for a road racing season including 3 week GTs. Whilst I absolutely agree that one of the major benefits of EPO is the ability to train longer and harder - and recover better - Cunobelin's argument was that Team GB and Armstrong shared the same set of circumstances as cyclists. This is patently not the case - or did I miss something and is Armstrong making his comeback on the track?