More testing from the AFLD

iainf72

Now they're going to use a new tricked out test to find blood transfusions

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sport ... __Urgent__

AFLD are the daddies. They keep a gossip like me amused for hours and hours.

method

iainf72 wrote:

They keep a gossip like me amused for hours and hours.

Me too, I generally sneer at readers of Heat and other gossip related publications, but when it comes to a doping scandal, I can't seem to get enough.

Mar ge

Pierre Bordry (AFLD president) has apparently stated on German tv that there are up to 30 suspects for having received blood tranfusions from the Tour...

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1297/Doping-In ... Tour.dhtml

Kléber

I'd like to see ASO hand over the samples from the Vuelta know that they own the Spanish race too.

iainf72

Bordry gives them a friendly call to tell them he's onto them

http://www.velonews.com/article/84103/b ... s-expected

I wonder who's he's refering to in the performance drop comment?

stagehopper

It's not the greatest of translations so it's hard to say exactly what he means. I assume he is talking about performance drop offs within the Tour itself suggesting riders who were very strong in the early stages of the race.

skavanagh.bikeradar

The suspense is killing me. I suspect there are a few worried riders just now.

andyp

iainf72 wrote:

I wonder who's he's refering to in the performance drop comment?

Are we meant to guess?

If so, how about Valv. Piti?

iainf72

andyp wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

I wonder who's he's refering to in the performance drop comment?

Are we meant to guess?

If so, how about Valv. Piti?

Cunego
Popovych

Perhaps more interesting is what he's implied. Surely a team with an indepedent anti-doping programme should see the same drop in performance he mentions..... Or should they remain the #1 team?

stagehopper

Not sure he has implied that as the translation is so poor.

mididoctors

this is the daddy test..

if they can really do this the avenues for juicing up are severely limited

I think 30 suspects is surprisingly low

mididoctors

I like the way they are ramping the pressure up

afx237vi

Hang on a minute. If a rider performs above expectations, then they're obviously a doper. But now if a rider performs below expectations, then they've obviously doping as well?

What a rider performs remarkably consistently... how are they maintaining that effort, eh, tell me that!

hopper1

I hope this new test really causes a stir, and uncovers those having had transfusions to hide their doping.
A big shock and a commotion, coupled with more dopers exposed, will do a lot of good for ringing the changes, were riders may see that the end of the road is nigh for doping.

The gossip factor is great, too! :twisted:

DavMartinR

Am I right here the test is done with a comparison from the blood taken from the riders at the start of the tour and then the second set taken on the rest day in Pau? And from this they can see who fell away and who was able to still ride strong? How do do they know who had jacket up on there on blood?

dave_1

I thinkt the new secretly prepared tests for transfusion, combined with the CERA test might remove every who doped? These two methods are popular and so any cheat will try and so...we can fairly assumed 140 riders are worth trusting. Good news surely

squired

If only the UCI were as effective at detecting dopers... Then the sport might be in a better position than it is right now.

knedlicky

Dave_1 wrote:

I thinkt the new secretly prepared tests for transfusion, combined with the CERA test might remove every who doped? These two methods are popular and so any cheat will try and so...we can fairly assumed 140 riders are worth trusting. Good news surely

Ah, but you forget about those who've already moved on to GW1516 or to Aicar, for which there are no tests yet developed.

richard wants a baum

afx237vi

Hang on a minute. If a rider performs above expectations, then they're obviously a doper. But now if a rider performs below expectations, then they've obviously doping as well?

What a rider performs remarkably consistently... how are they maintaining that effort, eh, tell me that!

ahhmmm Cadel Evans. Does seem a bit like your damned if you perform and damned if you dont. Cunego and Popo are a bit funny maybe there doctors got wind that the company producing CERA were working with WADA? then again maybe they came in over cooked as some always do and just didnt perform.

mwo

knedlicky wrote:

Ah, but you forget about those who've already moved on to GW1516 or to Aicar, for which there are no tests yet developed.

I didn't recognise either of those names. A quick google found the following article http://www.emaxhealth.com/69/23617.html. It seems that there are both blood and urine tests for GW1516 and AICAR:

Ronald M. Evans, the Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator who led the study, said drugs that mimic exercise could offer potent protection against obesity and related metabolic disorders. They could also help counter the effects of devastating muscle-wasting diseases like muscular dystrophy. Evans and his colleagues, who are at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, published their findings on July 31, 2008, in an advance online publication in the journal Cell.
Concerned about the potential for abuse of the two performance-enhancing drugs AICAR and GW1516, Evans has also developed a test to detect the substances in the blood and urine of athletes who may be looking for way to gain an edge on the competition.

That's not to say the tests are valiated and in use yet.

Tom Butcher

It's definitely a step in the right direction to tell riders all samples will be stored for x amount of years and subject to any tests that are developed in that time. They may be confident they have a product which can't be detected yet but it's much harder to be confident that product wont be detectable for several years.

calvjones

"LeMond wants to see SRM-type power meters employed to measure riders' power outputs. "In SRMs, we have a quantitative way to do that, but unfortunately there have only been a few riders who have ever given out that personal information," bemoans LeMond. "I talked to [now former] ASO boss Patrice Clerc about having everyone on an SRM that's sealed. It would be controlled and calibrated by doctors, the police – but not the teams.

"You'd get a continuous output of power recorded during a Tour stage and then if you found someone who had a VO2 Max of 80 and he was doing 500 watts for 30 minutes, you'd know that that was statistically and mathematically impossible to do. So then he's positive – boom! – he's out – that's doping. That's it – it's simple."

Last year there were climbers doing 450 watts but weighing 58-60kg – that's nearly 8 watts per kilo. That's impossible – unless we've all had some kind of genetic mutation over the past 15 years."

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Is it really this simple? If 8 Watts/kilo is dopage,what's the limit? Wouldn't it be fun if it were 6.8 :P