Hayes Stoker Trail

ohara227

Hi there,

I have just got a new 2008 Trance x2, which comes with the above brakes.

I understand they will take some bedding in, however when I spin the front wheel when its off the ground it rotates about twice and stops with a rubbing noise. I have used them and braked about 100 times, however it squeeks and rubs. Unlike the Giant MP3 brakes I have on my terrago I can't adjust the clearence between disc and pad.

The pads are close to the disc (if not touching), both front and rear. With the bike stopped and im off it, if I move it side to side I get a sharpe squeel from the brakes! - like fingers down a black board!

I never cleaned them before I used them, however I have bought some Muc Off brake cleaner and will try that...any ideas please? or is it just a matter of time...

RussAlf

It sounds like the calipers are not alligned corectly. Try undoing the allan key bolts on the caliper mounts untill you get side to side movement, then attempt to get the disc to sit in the middle of the two pads.

nicklouse

just use them a bit more.

ohara227

Hi sorry, I should have been clearer, when I said side to side I meant waggle the full bike, not just the wheel or so...

I thinking using them more is key and a good clean...as I got it mail order I think I will use the bike for abotu a month and take it for a once over at Dales Cycles in glasgow

Cheers guys

nicklouse

forcing the bike like that will cause the pads to touch.

clean it and use it.

skyliner

We've got a fleet of Kona hire bikes fitted with these brakes, and the pads are a real tight fit in the caliper, and fairly intolerant of gritty conditions.
I rub down the outer edges of the pad backing plates with emery cloth before fitting them, as well as performing a small piston bore mod to get free movement of the pads, and to stop the pistons being affected by dirt ingress.
They run much more freely and quieter just by doing the pads though. The piston mod keeps them sweet for longer, but it involves a complete stripdown of the caliper.

cunning-stunt

Been running these for a while now.
I cannot stop rotor rub on these.
Push the pistons back, reinsert rotor, pump lever, pads rub after a few pulls.
Put some card between rotor and pads, pump lever, get everything set, remove card, pull lever, same again.
Undo mounting bolts, align caliper visually, use brake, pads rub.
Mix and match the above, pads rub.
Learnt to live with it now, it comes and goes during a ride.

Sticky pistons you say? Bleed? (I can bleed them,very similar to my old HFXs - cheers Nick) Trust me, not the case. To the extent that I purchased a new caliper just to see.

Power is awesome but my XT's have been faff free compared to these.
Of course, I have to keep them because they're white

Would be nice if Hayes got something techy about them on their webbysite :evil:

nferrar

Mine were rub-free for a few weeks but the rear rubs now (only slightly but causes an annoying squeek at low speed), can't get rid of the rub either. Going to try filing the pad edge though to see what effect that has. They seem pretty good at dealing with mud although a few weeks ago at Afan the rear was sticking a bit (annoying to have to push the lever away from the bars after each braking section on a descent ).

Ridg

I've got the stroker carbons which are pretty much the same but with the CF levers

i fitted them myself and at first used to suffer from the "whine" however i re-adjusted and they are good as gold, here's the mother i used.

slacken of the screws going into the IS mount

make sure the caliper is free to move side to side

tighten the bolts less than finger tight

apply the brake, this should set the calliper equal distance from the rotor either side, (i found due to flew in the rotor it didn't always sit it the right position) so rock the wheel back and forth slightly, this should straighten out the rotor, tighten the bolts (with the brake still held).

this is the tricky part as if you tighten one too much the calliper shifts, so take your time and gradually do each bolt eg 1/4 turn on bottom then 1/4 turn on top rinse / repeat

once its tight release the brake, and tighten to the correct torque with a torque wrench and then check that the calliper is still in the correct position

it did take me awhile to get them correct but once its done its done

Tranced

Out riding yesterday, technical windy steep downhill, pulled front brake gentle & hose popped out of it's master cylinder fitting.
Only 4th ride on new Trance X3 with these Hayes Stroker Trails!!!!
Potential for nasty crash, but recovered, fell, bounced & rolled to a stop & limped home.

I've seen some reports of this happening elsewhere on the web. Anyone here have experience of this with these brakes.

Doesn't overinspire me with confidence. Never had trouble with old Hayes cable disks.

Was I just unlucky?

tombate911

sounds like you where unlucky there tranced, i have never herd of that before on any strokers or hayes brakes come to think of it,

Tranced

I am certainly hoping mine was just unlucky.
Another mention of this happening here: http://content.mtbr.com/cat/brakes/disc ... 07crx.aspx by rockhead77 where he says it happened when lots of pressure applied.
I was braking gently.
Hate to have this happen under hard / emergency braking heading towards cliff or cross roads.
Does highlight however a possible frailty in hydro. The memory of the moment will ride along with me for some time.
:shock:

ratty2k

Certainly not a frailty of hydro systems, someone when either assembling the bike or brake has not tightened the olive up enough. Easy fix, re-insert and tighten a quarter turn extra. Only the same as a cable snapping on a cable disc brake.
Hayes brakes are good, got Stroker Trails on my ScandAL 29er. No problems with them at all, bar a little bit of rubbing...