The Summer Bike Project

Clever Pun

Greg T wrote:

rjeffroy wrote:

London framebuilder options:

Witcomb
Roberts

Thanks Chap,

Witcomb is just over the river from here in the wharf so I'm going to go over one lunch time and have a look. Looks very Old School and cool.

I did consider Condor but every other bike downstairs is a Condor....

Actually they have a couple old school frames down stairs £££££ I suspect though, they did look stunning

I've got a quick question
if I wanted to get my frame painted or detailed.... where would I go?

Greg T

Clever Pun wrote:

if I wanted to get my frame painted or detailed.... where would I go?

Ah! I looked into this when i was eyeing up my old Dawes before deciding that vertical drop outs = drama.

This outfit was recommended.



http://argoscycles.com/

JB wrote:

bankers eh

This is a good point......

I'll just wait at the bottom of the Wharf with a couple of 20 quid notes next time the redundancy axe falls and bag me a couple of cool bikes...

As long as I've not got chopped - then I'll be in the crapper big time and it won't be very funny anymore

il_principe

Greg T wrote:

Clever Pun wrote:

This outfit was recommended.



http://argoscycles.com/

*Dons Snob hat* I'm sorry but would you really want a frame that said Argos on it? I *Removes aforementioned hat - it's a Bowler dontchknow*

biondino

From the Argos site - no-one can convince me that this is a bicycle:

Coriander

Greg T wrote:

rjeffroy wrote:

London framebuilder options:

Witcomb
Roberts

Thanks Chap,

Witcomb is just over the river from here in the wharf so I'm going to go over one lunch time and have a look. Looks very Old School and cool.

I did consider Condor but every other bike downstairs is a Condor....

Are Witcomb actually any good or has their reputation lasted longer than their ability? Or is building frames their raison d'etre and they do other stuff to make money? I only ask because Witcomb is very close to me and practically next door to my best friends' and now they won't take their bikes in there anymore as they've been left in worse condition after a service from the Witcomb guys.

Clever Pun

Greg T wrote:

Clever Pun wrote:

if I wanted to get my frame painted or detailed.... where would I go?

Ah! I looked into this when i was eyeing up my old Dawes before deciding that vertical drop outs = drama.

This outfit was recommended.



http://argoscycles.com/

JB wrote:

bankers eh

This is a good point......

I'll just wait at the bottom of the Wharf with a couple of 20 quid notes next time the redundancy axe falls and bag me a couple of cool bikes...

As long as I've not got chopped - then I'll be in the crapper big time and it won't be very funny anymore

I got made redundant from Credit Suisse 2 years ago... it was awesome, I got 1/2 a years pay tax free lived like a king for 6 months (1 of which was in New Zealand) got the job I'm in now and that was that

Greg... paintshop in london dude, I'm not schlepping it to bristol

Greg T

Clever Pun wrote:

I got made redundant from Credit Suisse 2 years ago... it was awesome, I got 1/2 a years pay tax free lived like a king for 6 months (1 of which was in New Zealand) got the job I'm in now and that was that

Greg... paintshop in london dude, I'm not schlepping it to bristol

Everyone I know who's been chopped has found it a positive experience in the end.....

I run out of contacts after Argos for powder coating but I think there's a big thread on it at London FSSSGSSLSB somehere

Powder coating is the magic search term apparently...

Pearson.....

Hmmmmm

I'll have a look at Pearson - they are just down the road, have a good rep and I could smuggle the trip under the radar by "Taking Bianchi out for a walk"

lost_in_thought

Greg T wrote:

Clever Pun wrote:

I got made redundant from Credit Suisse 2 years ago... it was awesome, I got 1/2 a years pay tax free lived like a king for 6 months (1 of which was in New Zealand) got the job I'm in now and that was that

Greg... paintshop in london dude, I'm not schlepping it to bristol

Everyone I know who's been chopped has found it a positive experience in the end.....

I run out of contacts after Argos for powder coating but I think there's a big thread on it at London FSSSGSSLSB somehere

Powder coating is the magic search term apparently...

Pearson.....

Hmmmmm

I'll have a look at Pearson - they are just down the road, have a good rep and I could smuggle the trip under the radar by "Taking Bianchi out for a walk"

I wonder how much of this you could slip under the Mrs T-dar by maintaining that it's all for the old vertical dropout frame...

The perceived reusing of an old frame would appeal to the brain of a woman (I should know) in the same way that a £1000 coat reduced to £500 is in fact a £500 saving rather than a £500 spend...

Then at the grand unveiling maintain that you've just had the old one resprayed. Hide it somewhere, obviously.

Clever Pun

Greg T wrote:

Clever Pun wrote:

I got made redundant from Credit Suisse 2 years ago... it was awesome, I got 1/2 a years pay tax free lived like a king for 6 months (1 of which was in New Zealand) got the job I'm in now and that was that

Greg... paintshop in london dude, I'm not schlepping it to bristol

Everyone I know who's been chopped has found it a positive experience in the end.....

I run out of contacts after Argos for powder coating but I think there's a big thread on it at London FSSSGSSLSB somehere

Powder coating is the magic search term apparently...

Nah wrong end of the brush, I need specific detailing, it's been powder coated I need the reynolds 531 tubing highlighted... I could do this myself with a steady hand and acrylic paint but I'll balls it up.

Greg T

Now then my LBS has got this little minx in their window:

http://www.konaworld.com/08_kapu_w.htm




Steel tubed....

Nice - chrome work on the lugs / chain stays, sparkly steel ultegra hubs and open pro rims...

It is very nice indeed....

If only it had track ends.......

Sourcing the frame is going to be difficult - getting a new one is ££££.....

The other option is to upgrade the bits and pieces on the Paddy Wagon - which would overcome my itch to buy stuff without the rate limiting step of having to get a frame first.....

The danger is non compatibility to the the "new frame"...

Oh its just so hard.

itboffin

Excuse me if I may....

Now the XXXmm you're looking for would be 42mm or so they say, i've found 42-45mm depending on BB and rear wheel/frame axle spacing, between 120-130mm on my three DIY builds, the two Raleigh's have English square tapered 68mm BB (standard) one with all Shimano and the other with Miche, the Mercian has Italian square tapered BB which I think is 70mm and all Campagnolo - Nice!

What's I've learnt from all this frivolous spending, you need all the right tools and it's just me luck that not one those bikes has compatible components, my LBS loves me, I'm in there every other day asking for some tool or part older than them - True!

So now I have all the tools, it's ridiculously easy to build a SS or Fixed, two things to remember buy a good frame (old or new) and proper track specific wheels, everything else is simple.

Do it.... you know you want to

Clever Pun

itboffin wrote:

So now I have all the tools, it's ridiculously easy to build a SS or Fixed, two things to remember buy a good frame (old or new) and proper track specific wheels, everything else is simple.

Do it.... you know you want to

now are you talking about hubs or tubs?

itboffin

Ah right i'm talking about track hubs, not tub wheels phew way to much hard work, get yourself a good double fixed or fixed/free hub or as I've found out recently have a set built for formula/zenith track hubs and open pro rims for about £120, all the converter kits are a real pain to get good chain line. In the end basic hand built wheels cost far less than a cheap factory set especially after conversion plus they look much better.

Clever Pun

Yeah I picked up phil wood F/F very nice and tough as old boots (I don't know yet as I've not ridden them)

got my nitto handlebars through the other day..sweeet

I'll replace my road bike brakes with some skeleton chorus and use the veloce's on the project... double prizes

Greg T

Clever Pun wrote:

I'll replace my road bike brakes with some skeleton chorus and use the veloce's on the project... double prizes

Want

greg66_tri_v2.0

Greg T wrote:

Want

OK. I'll be the first.

I don't get it

First, if you want to put together a beautiful SS, then it *has* to be fixed. In which case you won't be needing those nice brakes.

Second, why would you want to get another SS? Have you learned nothing? I think I said about 100 pages ago that a SS is like a broken watch. It works twice a day. The rest of the time it's a bangle.

Third, third tubed lugged steel frames look nice, but wow are they flexy. You'll end up with something that a gust of wind will bend.

Fourth, if you're really determined to walk the walk of madness a second time, there can only be one choice of frame.

Pegoretti.

http://www.pegoretticicli.com/models/luiginotrk.htm

Although if you could get a second hand Nagasawa, that would be cooler.

Clever Pun

Greg66 wrote:

Greg T wrote:

Want

OK. I'll be the first.

I don't get it

First, if you want to put together a beautiful SS, then it *has* to be fixed. In which case you won't be needing those nice brakes.

Second, why would you want to get another SS? Have you learned nothing? I think I said about 100 pages ago that a SS is like a broken watch. It works twice a day. The rest of the time it's a bangle.

Third, third tubed lugged steel frames look nice, but wow are they flexy. You'll end up with something that a gust of wind will bend.

Fourth, if you're really determined to walk the walk of madness a second time, there can only be one choice of frame.

Pegoretti.

http://www.pegoretticicli.com/models/luiginotrk.htm

Although if you could get a second hand Nagasawa, that would be cooler.

you must be going blind old man... you couldn't read my post? skeletons for the road bike and attach the front veloce to the project, it's silver and classically shiny so it'd work lovely

but that Pegoretti is stunning

Greg T

Greg66 wrote:

Fourth, if you're really determined to walk the walk of madness a second time, there can only be one choice of frame.

Pegoretti.

http://www.pegoretticicli.com/models/luiginotrk.htm

I accept that the entire proposition makes no sense.

I have four bikes in the garage (one in bits - granted) of various flavours and I clearly don't need another.

I also have an 18 year old car which absorbs cash like a financial mega leech but it smells like oil and petrol and I love it.

I just fancy the idea of building a bike and as I don't get out much anymore it will be a bit of fun for the long dark and now baby shit smelling winter......

The pegesphagetti looks gorgeous - want.

Edited to add


£1900 quid for frame and forks!!!!


http://www.mosquito-bikes.co.uk/htdocs/pegoretti.php?name=bikes#

Jaysus.