Why not smear

PauloBets
PauloBets Posts: 108
edited August 2009 in Pro race
Indurain? 7 GT wins??????????????????????????????????????? in 5 frickin years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

weight loss?

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  • Coriander
    Coriander Posts: 1,326
    Oh, grow up.
  • PauloBets
    PauloBets Posts: 108
    Coriander wrote:
    Oh, grow up.

    ah so some 7 time Grand Tour winners are more honest than others? They both stink IMO...but only one gets blamed
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,481
    PauloBets wrote:
    Indurain? 7 GT wins??????????????????????????????????????? in 5 frickin years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    weight loss?
    More likely EPO.
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Is Indurain making a comeback?
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    No, but the anti-Lance postings hardly started when he announced his comeback - they were just brought to the fore again.

    Indurain was just as likely to have used use blood boosting techniques as Armstrong. However, Indurain was a quiet humble guy, gracious in victory and defeat, and who dealt with others in the peoloton with some largesse, often "giving" away victories he didn't really need. He made a lot of money, retired quietly and wasn't in your face about it. And he wasn't American.
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • aurelio_-_banned
    aurelio_-_banned Posts: 1,317
    andyp wrote:
    PauloBets wrote:
    Indurain? 7 GT wins??????????????????????????????????????? in 5 frickin years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    weight loss?
    More likely EPO.
    More than likely! During the Festina trial Thomas Davy, who rode with Banesto from 1995 to 1996, testified that there was a medically supervised system of doping at Banesto which was used by all the riders in the team. Also when the 50% heaemocrit limit was introduced testing found that every member of the Banesto team was within a percentage point or so of the limit, a `situation impossible in nature` according to the late ABCC coach Ray Minovi. Armand de Las Cuevas of the Banesto team was also caught transporting large amounts of Epo, testosterone and hormones. See:

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2000/10/ ... 01026.html

    http://www.elmundo.es/1998/10/20/deportes/20N0104.html

    David Walsh has also made some well argued comments about the likelihood of someone with Indurain`s physique transforming himself from a Tour also-ran (much like Armstrong) into a rider who could dominate the Tour, beating even specialist climbers. See:

    http://www.competitorradio.com/details.php?show=150

    http://www.competitorradio.com/details.php?show=151

    Still, there is a lot more evidence that Armstrong doped his way to his 7 Tour `wins` than has so far come to light about Indurain!
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,481
    aurelio wrote:
    More than likely!
    It was a joke! Calm down. I'm au fait enough with the 1990s to understand what powered Indurain to 5 consecutive Tours.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Only because people have done a lot more digging. Why might that be?

    As for Walsh - it might be well-argued but that doesn't make it correct. I'd like to see his theories backed up with a bit of science (in reference to his claim that, as Indurain was a big guy, he'd benefit a lot more from epo. As a big guy myself, I'd be very interested to hear if this is right :D )
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • ms_tree
    ms_tree Posts: 1,405
    Yawn! It just gets boring. It was all in the past leave it there; you can't it.
    'Google can bring back a hundred thousand answers. A librarian can bring you back the right one.'
    Neil Gaiman
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    No one is trying to "smear", or at least I hope not.

    Indurain worked with Prof Conconi and I have no doubts about his methods.

    But the Spaniard didn't blacklist or sue anyone who decided to ask him tough questions. He just did what 90% of the bunch were doing and if it's regrettable, he hasn't built a business empire on a myth or even a whopping lie.
  • PauloBets
    PauloBets Posts: 108
    ah...so, 1 year on, who was better, Miguel Indurain or Lance Armstrong?
  • avalon
    avalon Posts: 345
    You're about five weeks too early.
    Stop being so impatient FFS. :wink:

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