difference between sleeve joint and welded rims?

David167
David167 Posts: 191
edited September 2008 in Workshop
Hi all, i'm looking to built up a pair of wheels and like the look of Halo Aerorage rims but would like to know the difference between a sleeve joint (as in the Halo rim) and a welded joint (as in mavic open pro). It a sleeve joint weaker and less reliable than a welded joint or vise versa? It it something i should consider when looking at rims? Does anyone have experience with Halo road rims?

Any help appreciated.
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  • alfablue
    alfablue Posts: 8,497
    I think welded is in theory, better, and Open Pro's are very hard to beat.
  • ride_whenever
    ride_whenever Posts: 13,279
    aren't the open pros pinned then welded?

    I'd just buy the mavics, they're very good.
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  • alfablue
    alfablue Posts: 8,497
    From the Mavic web site

    SUP welding (Soude Usine Process)
    After bending, the rim joint is arc welded. The welded seam is then milled for a smooth finish.
    _Strength of the rim up to 90% at the weak point seam vs. 60% on a pin-joint rim.
    _Eliminate shuddering when braking
    _Easier wheel building for a more balanced wheelset

    Open Pro's are top quality rims, used them for years, perfect!
  • maddog 2
    maddog 2 Posts: 8,114
    OPs do take some beating and I'd happily accept that welded rims are better, in theory, but whether in practice it makes any difference could be open to discussion.

    I've never had a pinned rim fall apart anyway, and I've done plenty of rough riding in the past (offroad tours etc.). I usually buckle/change/ding them before they actually un-pin themselves.
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,673
    in the MTB world we are moving away from the pinned and welded rim to pinned and sleeved.

    sleeved have an insert bonded on the inner profile and some can also have pin joints.

    I have been using Halos sleeved Freedom rims and have trashed them but the join has held.

    Giant UK DH team also use them.

    what the Aerorage rims are like i can not say as i have not used them, Yet.
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  • David167
    David167 Posts: 191
    Thanks for your replies guys.

    I should have made it clear that I have been running open pros for a few years now but want to try something new and different. So nothing to worry about on sleeved rims then...
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