It's offical - Dura Ace better than Record

dennisn
dennisn Posts: 10,601
edited October 2008 in Workshop
It has always seemed to me that on this forum the most expensive things were regarded as the best(i.e. Dura Ace equals Chorus because the prices were about the same and Record was better because it cost more). Well, Shimano fans need not
slink about in shame anymore. The new group set appears to cost much more than that
junk Record gruppo. Sorry Campy fans, that's the way things are. Of course there is hope. The new Super Record set will, I'm sure, far exceed Dura Ace's cost and put Campy right back on top. However, Shimano's electronic setup price will most likely, simply,
blow away any competition for years to come. Long live Shimano.

Dennis Noward
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  • McBain_v1
    McBain_v1 Posts: 5,237
    If cost is the definitive criterion when it comes to allocating the title of "best" to a group set, then I am waiting for Gucci to bring out a diamond-encrusted gruppo :!:
    What do I ride? Now that's an Enigma!
  • singlespeedexplosif
    singlespeedexplosif Posts: 1,564
    'Campy'??

    [spits]
  • Barry Roubaix
    Barry Roubaix Posts: 233
    singlespeedexplosif wrote:
    'Campy'??

    [spits]

    My thoughts exactly. The word 'Campy' should be banned :evil:
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    They still haven't improved the shifting mechanism though........you still have to swing those bloody levers.........that still makes Sora better than DA
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Barry Roubaix wrote:
    singlespeedexplosif wrote:
    'Campy'??

    [spits]

    My thoughts exactly. The word 'Campy' should be banned :evil:

    I agree, "Campy" should be banned. Wait, you're talking about the word not the
    company, right? :? :? Sorry, my fault.
  • unclemalc
    unclemalc Posts: 563
    redddraggon wrote:
    They still haven't improved the shifting mechanism though........you still have to swing those bloody levers.........that still makes Sora better than DA

    For those of us cheapskates, Sora rocks... :D
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  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    ...and the objective evidence you are providing in support of this argument? I take it you have had the opportunity to make an objective assessment of Di2 and Super Record having extensively tested both sets of components by riding bikes in all sorts of environments and that your following posts will reveal the extent of your experience...and I'm afraid Ctrl C & Ctrl V don't count!
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • eh
    eh Posts: 4,854
    you still have to swing those bloody levers

    Yeah bizarre decision that, they could have completely changed the way people think about shifting ergonomics but no. So in one, they remove pretty much the only exciting thing about electronic shifting. Also why make it so ugly that goes for the new mechnical Dura-ace as well, yuk (and I'm a Shimano fan).

    Sora does rock and even works with campag 10 speed :lol:

    NB: original post was tounge in cheek I believe. :roll:
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    unclemalc wrote:
    redddraggon wrote:
    They still haven't improved the shifting mechanism though........you still have to swing those bloody levers.........that still makes Sora better than DA

    For those of us cheapskates, Sora rocks... :D

    But, but, you have to buy expensive gear. It's the rule, isn't it??? You simply can't go riding around on funky aluminum or steel frames any more than you can even consider
    not buying the latest Dura Ace or Super Record. My god, It's what you need to win.
    Nothing else will do. You don't go riding around on, dare I even say it, "handbuilt wheels
    with gruppo hubs"(trashy) do you??

    Dennis Noward
  • phelim1
    phelim1 Posts: 53
    having tried da electronic and super record i would say that campy is still the better groupset. the electronic button is not beneficial and doesn't move as good as claimed. it is not a hard job to push a lever to change gear.
    the price of the di is likely to be near £1800 campag £1500.
    this is only my opininion.

    long live campag
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Monty Dog wrote:
    . I take it you have had the opportunity to make an objective assessment of Di2 and Super Record having extensively tested both sets of components by riding bikes in all sorts of environments and that your following posts will reveal the extent of your experience...and I'm afraid Ctrl C & Ctrl V don't count!

    Well no, but it's only about the price. Right??? Nothing else matters?? It's more expensive
    therefore "better". I mean what kind of a person would buy a set of "loser"
    hand built wheels for 500 dollars when he could spend 2000 dollars on obviously
    "better" wheels? No, I won't be fooled by anything so mundane and foolish as
    quality when I can pay the "big ticket" and not have to hide my head in shame because I
    only have last years model.

    Dennis Noward
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  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    dennisn wrote:
    You don't go riding around on, dare I even say it, "handbuilt wheels
    with gruppo hubs"(trashy) do you??

    I don't, but some nice handbuilts are next on my list to buy,

    Record hubs/Ambrosio rims/ CX-rays........or something like that.
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    redddraggon wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    You don't go riding around on, dare I even say it, "handbuilt wheels
    with gruppo hubs"(trashy) do you??

    I don't, but some nice handbuilts are next on my list to buy,

    Record hubs/Ambrosio rims/ CX-rays........or something like that.

    I suppose handbuilts would be "acceptable" if, if, you get the hubs, skewers, and
    spokes plated in 24 karat gold. Still, you probably need to spend more or suffer the
    consequences and have to slink about in shame. Not allowed to ride with anyone. That
    kind of thing. Just so you're aware.

    Dennis Noward
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    phelim1 wrote:
    having tried da electronic and super record i would say that campy is still the better groupset. the electronic button is not beneficial and doesn't move as good as claimed. it is not a hard job to push a lever to change gear.
    the price of the di is likely to be near £1800 campag £1500.
    this is only my opininion.

    long live campag

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  • Jashin
    Jashin Posts: 164
    How can Dennis's point fly over so many heads? Goodness know's he's as subtle as a sledgehammer :) Unless some of the replies are tongue in cheek? Hmmm...
  • idaviesmoore
    idaviesmoore Posts: 557
    [quote="dennisn
    But, but, you have to buy expensive gear. It's the rule, isn't it??? You simply can't go riding around on funky aluminum or steel frames any more than you can even consider
    not buying the latest Dura Ace or Super Record. My god, It's what you need to win.
    Nothing else will do.
    Dennis Noward[/quote]

    You're such a p1ss taker Noward :roll:

    I can hear chains being yanked everywhere :wink:
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  • phelim1
    phelim1 Posts: 53
    eurobike in germany. the problem with it is that it also looks ugly with a battery attached to your down tube, i feel it needs to be tested in our winter/summers before i would consider buying.if you have the money to spare buy it and test it but let me know how u get on.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Jashin wrote:
    How can Dennis's point fly over so many heads? Goodness know's he's as subtle as a sledgehammer :) Unless some of the replies are tongue in cheek? Hmmm...


    Hmmmm indeed. Why won't anyone take me seriously?? :P :P :twisted: :twisted:

    Dennis Noward
  • aarw
    aarw Posts: 448
    idaviesmoore wrote:

    I can hear chains being yanked everywhere :wink:

    Electronically? :lol:

    you've all lost it... off the shelf groupsets are only for those who are forced to ride them. you can spend way more £££'s buying individual and tuning it up. only then are your sure to beat the man on his (sub) 'standard' grouppo.

    of course SRAM has tried to cover these needs with their new ultimate red group with zipp chainset and ZG brakes....
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    [quote="phelim1"if you have the money to spare buy it and test it but let me know how u get on.[/quote]

    I'll do it. For the sake of all Bike Radar readers. I am now accepting contributions
    to help defray the enormous(I think) cost of actually purchasing this new system.
    I realize that times are tough, jobs hard to find, and money scarce but if you can see it in your hearts to help out in this noble undertaking you won't regret it, as I fully intend to
    file a complete report for all to read. Give what you can, it all helps. Tell your friends.

    Dennis Noward
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    Ah the usual high standard of piss taking from the twisted, and wonderfully sarcastic Mr Noward over there across the pond.

    Dennis you never disappoint, you know that?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    giant mancp wrote:
    Ah the usual high standard of wee-wee taking from the twisted, and wonderfully sarcastic Mr Noward over there across the pond.

    Dennis you never disappoint, you know that?

    Well, my wife has a different opinion about whether I disappoint or not.

    Dennis Noward
  • walleyes
    walleyes Posts: 20
    Monty Dog wrote:
    ...and the objective evidence you are providing in support of this argument? I take it you have had the opportunity to make an objective assessment of Di2 and Super Record having extensively tested both sets of components by riding bikes in all sorts of environments and that your following posts will reveal the extent of your experience...and I'm afraid Ctrl C & Ctrl V don't count!

    Relax - tongue in cheek.

    Anyway this is the most bring and illogical argument going.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    aarw wrote:
    idaviesmoore wrote:

    I can hear chains being yanked everywhere :wink:

    Electronically? :lol:

    you've all lost it... off the shelf groupsets are only for those who are forced to ride them. you can spend way more £££'s buying individual and tuning it up. only then are your sure to beat the man on his (sub) 'standard' grouppo.

    of course SRAM has tried to cover these needs with their new ultimate red group with zipp chainset and ZG brakes....

    You are absolutely right. The cycling "peasants"(myself included) of the world have been
    deluded into thinking that their Campy & Dura-Ace groups are top shelf. Whereas the
    real cyclists know that only specialty component manufacturers make anything really
    worthwhile. Anything less than $10,000 for a frame and you're pretty much assured of
    buying junk. I guess I just didn't see the big picture. Thanks for setting me straight.

    Dennis Noward
  • sicrow
    sicrow Posts: 791
    Dennis

    I'm delighted good on you, I looked at your origional post at lunch and couldn't understand why no one was really biting - a brilliant "slow news day post"

    P**s taking at its best well sone :!: :!: :!: :lol:


    PS you wife told me last night that problem is getting better and don't worry about disapointing :wink:
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  • Ste_S
    Ste_S Posts: 1,173
    I've extensively tested both Super Record and Electronic Dura Ace (on my Colnago CX-1, natch) and after much time debating the merits of both, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that SRAM Red hit every branch of the ugly tree on the way down
  • wildmoustache
    wildmoustache Posts: 4,010
    sicrow wrote:
    Dennis

    I'm delighted good on you, I looked at your origional post at lunch and couldn't understand why no one was really biting - a brilliant "slow news day post"

    P**s taking at its best well sone :!: :!: :!: :lol:


    PS you wife told me last night that problem is getting better and don't worry about disapointing :wink:

    that wasn't what she told me the night before.
  • Slow Downcp
    Slow Downcp Posts: 3,041
    It's okay - sanity has been restored. I've just seen prices of 2009 Campag groupsets at Parkers :shock:

    All it needed was a 50% increase across all the groupsets. I guess there'll be a rush on 2008 parts before stocks run out!!!
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  • singlespeedexplosif
    singlespeedexplosif Posts: 1,564
    I agree, "Campy" should be banned. Wait, you're talking about the word not the
    company, right?
    which company? there's a company called 'Campy'?
    I can only assume that the Manchester branch is on Canal St
  • neeb
    neeb Posts: 4,473
    I agree, "Campy" should be banned. Wait, you're talking about the word not the
    company, right?

    What's the history of the appropriateness or otherwise of various campagnolo abbreviations, i.e. campy vs. campag?

    It's worth noting that "campy" seems to be a registered trademark of campagnolo and appears on some of their components and packaging - I'm looking at my UT-CN chaintool at the moment for example, which actually has "CAMPY" engraved in big letters right across the top. The box it came in also says "campy UT-CN 200" on it. I don't think I've ever seen "campag" on any components.

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