Lance Armstrong and drugs
With so many riders in the past on EPO , blood tranfusions etc how did Armstrong manage 7 tours on pure training ! He's only said he's the most tested rider and has never tested positive, not quite the same as saying you've never taken drugs! zabel etc all denied taking drugs for years then suddenly owned up to it.
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Hold on, just getting my popcorn........ Ok off we go again.0
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kuota wrote:With so many riders in the past on EPO , blood tranfusions etc how did Armstrong manage 7 tours on pure training ! He's only said he's the most tested rider and has never tested positive, not quite the same as saying you've never taken drugs! zabel etc all denied taking drugs for years then suddenly owned up to it.
To sum up the following 14 pages of posts: yes, he doped. No, he never (quite) was caught.___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
Armstrong can't own up as there is an industry built on his near-biblical tale of resurrection.
"Lo, they rolled back the hospital curtain and the Texan was gone! For 21 days and 21 nights he tormented the lazy with his omnipotence" etc etc
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For me, the real irony is that I've mellowed towards Armstrong and his dark side, with every new positive....."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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Blazing Saddles wrote:For me, the real irony is that I've mellowed towards Armstrong and his dark side, with every new positive.....
Are you feeling ok?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
He is also allegedly a paedophile, mass murderer eats children for breakfast and owns a Celine Dion album!!!!!
Of course there is no actual evidence but why should that bother us?<b><i>He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.</b></i>
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Sheryl Crow/ Celine Dion - close enough for me.0
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I would hate for my hero since I was very young to be found to have used drugs.
I wouldn't know what to do.0 -
Accept that he's human and sometimes humans cheat ?
Drugged or not - he was still a great athlete.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Blazing Saddles wrote:For me, the real irony is that I've mellowed towards Armstrong and his dark side, with every new positive.....
Are you feeling ok?
No, I've run out of posting on dope threads, PED's. :shock:"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
There is evidence and plenty of it. It's just Armstrong and his legal team go after those who attempt to uncover it.Cunobelin wrote:He is also allegedly a paedophile, mass murderer eats children for breakfast and owns a Celine Dion album!!!!!
Of course there is no actual evidence but why should that bother us?
Take, as an example, traces of EPO found in a number of his urine samples from the 1999 Tour. He's never explained that one away and instead made accusations of a French conspiracy that's out to get him.
As for the Celine Dion album, I believe Sheryl Crow told him it was her or the cd. He chose the cd.0 -
thats easy!
a) no
b) yes
c) campag obviously'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0 -
Or
a) yes
b)no
c) shimano without doubt
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Let's not all get sued here guys :!:
There is some evidence with some old urine samples
He was trained by one of the most notorious doctors of recent cycling
He comprehensively beat poeple who doped.
Nevertheless. He was one of the hardest working people in cycling, he came back from virtually dying of cancer and he got a lot of poeple (including me :oops: ) into cycling!You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
This thread got me looking for more info and i came across the article below. It's something of a revelation to me. I had no idea about most of this stuff whilst i was watching Armstong win the tour, probably because i wasn't an active road cyclist at the time and wasn't looking at forums like this one.
Of particluar interest is his retirement from competitive cycling after his cancer surgery and dropping out of a race through exhaustion, and his reappearance as a tour winner.
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There is evidence of a gunman on the grassy knoll
There is evidence that Armstrong doped
There is evidence we have been visited by aliens
There is evidence we never landed on the moon
Armstrong may be very litigious fellow but does anyone think that if LEquip/ASO had really good evidence about 1999 they wouldn't have been happy to go to court, after all they ain't exactly short of cash & lawyers themselves..0 -
They would have nothing to gain by doing so, they could do the same for Riis, Pantani, Ullrich. There is strong evidence that all of them doped.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0
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Talking of Celine Dion, one of my fav headlines from "The Onion" website was
"Lance Armstrong's endurance tested to max by four hour Cheryl Crow Concert"
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Cunobelin wrote:He is also allegedly a paedophile, mass murderer eats children for breakfast and owns a Celine Dion album!!!!!
Of course there is no actual evidence but why should that bother us?
Plenty of evidence, just most of it circumstantial.0 -
So if cadel wins, will he be the first clean winner since lemond ?
Was there any suggestion that Indurain was on the juice ?
the other interesting point is the number of ex us postal riders who developed bad habits once away from the anti-dpoing stance of LA0 -
Who says they developed habits once away from LA, they got caught once away from LA.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0
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Jez mon wrote:Who says they developed habits once away from LA, they got caught once away from LA.
I think (or hope) the comment was ironic.
Indurain -- have never assumed, from what I've read and heard, that he was clean.0 -
Nope :!:
I'm simply making a factual point. Franky Andreu took EPO whilst on postal, but never got caught.
The whole era from the introduction of EPO till Operation Puerto was suspect. Correcting results would be impossible for most of it as the vast majority of riders weren't clean.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
cougie wrote:Accept that he's human and sometimes humans cheat ?
Drugged or not - he was still a great athlete.
O.K. Basso and Ricco should be allowed to start the Tour of Spain.
So what whether he was a great athlete why should that mean anything, he ven said Ullrich was a better athlete.0 -
Take, as an example, traces of EPO found in a number of his urine samples from the 1999 Tour. He's never explained that one away and instead made accusations of a French conspiracy that's out to get him.
Would that be the anonymous samples where someone accidentally leaked an unconfirmed list of the bar codes, that happened to coincide with an equally unauthorised and leaked list matching riders to the bar codes?
There is no actual official confirmation that the two lists are genuine or matched. Equally there is no validation ofthe test that "showed EPO" inthe samples - it was a trial of an unsubstantiated test. There is also tha problem in that no-on knows the effect of age on the samples again invalidating the test!
The Laboratory has a lot of questions to answer over that one - especially as the system is supposed to make sure this simply cannot happen.
SO we have "proof" that consists of two unofficial leaked lists that link an unsubstantiated test of a possibly damaged sample that possibly shows EPO, a naturally occurring hormone!
I would really like to see that in a court of law!
Which is the point - it simply hasn't been able to stand up to legal standards
Whatever the "conspiracy" there is certainly the stench of corruption and malpractice about the Laboratory's part in this - they certainly needto "clean up their act"!<b><i>He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.</b></i>
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RichN95 wrote:While we're at it can you tell me
a) is it OK to run red lights
b) should I wear a helmet
c) which is better, Shimano or Campagnolo
And don't forget...
Is it ok to put my carbon bike on a roofrack / workstand ?0
