TdF Stage 8 *spoiler*

afx237vi
afx237vi Posts: 12,630
edited July 2008 in Pro race
Four riders up the road - Lefevre, Pineau, Riblon and Txurruka.

You wouldn't know it though. They've barely been mentioned yet. David Harmon and Kelly have been very scathing about why Liquigas are still in the Tour.

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  • Cumulonimbus
    Cumulonimbus Posts: 1,730
    Jerome Pineau is only 4.32 down overall. Good move by him in an attempt to take yellow. I dont think he will get enough time though. Not sure if Cav will be able to cope with the hills late on so am not sure how much effort Colombia will want to put in.
  • geoff_ss
    geoff_ss Posts: 1,201
    Cumulonimbus! What an appropriate name for today's wet stage :)

    Geoff
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Cumulonimbus wrote:
    Jerome Pineau is only 4.32 down overall. Good move by him in an attempt to take yellow. I dont think he will get enough time though. Not sure if Cav will be able to cope with the hills late on so am not sure how much effort Colombia will want to put in.

    No, but Hushovd, Freire and Zabel will fancy it. They need to get some points back from Kirchen.

    Crédit Agricole are on the front now and the break is down to 4 minutes. Looking like a bunch sprint.
  • Cumulonimbus
    Cumulonimbus Posts: 1,730
    afx237vi wrote:
    Cumulonimbus wrote:
    Jerome Pineau is only 4.32 down overall. Good move by him in an attempt to take yellow. I dont think he will get enough time though. Not sure if Cav will be able to cope with the hills late on so am not sure how much effort Colombia will want to put in.

    No, but Hushovd, Freire and Zabel will fancy it. They need to get some points back from Kirchen.

    Crédit Agricole are on the front now and the break is down to 4 minutes. Looking like a bunch sprint.

    Yes, its below the minute per 10km rule of thumb so they should pull it back. The sprinters you mention will be tired after their efforts to try and stay with the front group yesterday but i guess they have got a few days 'off' coming up
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    David Millar has got a problem with his "Felt" bike, perhaps he's got a puncture on his "Zipp" wheels.

    Nice product placement from Harmon
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  • FCE2007
    FCE2007 Posts: 962
    edited July 2008
    Brilliant!

    I still don't like him
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  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Cav. Oh yeah.
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  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    WOW that was an extremely strong sprint from Cav, although McEwen and Hushvold not there.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Boooooooooo

    The kid is stupid fast. Looked like Columbia had fluffed it for a while but didn't matter.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Ciolek 2nd too.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    So of the two bunch sprints he's contested he's won both - kind of backs up some of the bravado about being the fastest guy around at the moment, doesn't it.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    FCE2007 wrote:
    I still don't like him[/size]
    He probably doesn't like you either but he's standing on the podium and you're sat in front of your computer :wink::lol:
  • campagchris
    campagchris Posts: 773
    :( Im gutted for Pineau and points for me
    but happy to see Cav win again :lol:
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Send him to doping control immediately. He's way too fast for any Frenchie sprinter.
    Now they are talking Cav for the Paris stage.
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  • Van_Heerden
    Van_Heerden Posts: 128
    andyp wrote:
    So of the two bunch sprints he's contested he's won both - kind of backs up some of the bravado about being the fastest guy around at the moment, doesn't it.

    A great win by Cav left all standing, but it has to be said most of the big guns did not really contest it (for whatever reason) just sat back. Thor being prime example. Didn't even try.

    I want to see Cav beat them all in sprint where they are ALL giving it. I reckon he can still toast them.
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  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Hushovd says he didn't sprint because he found the going hard in the wet. Half a sprint is about positioning, a good jump is nothing if you're 20 places back. As well as being the fastest in a straight line, Cavendish can ride like a demon inside the bunch.

    So if the favourites chickened out, or lost out in the battle to be in the top-20 with 1km to go, it only shows the class of Cavendish.

    I can't think of another sprinter who was so good, so young. McEwen took time, Van Poppel didn't win so much, Ludwig, Cipollini and Zabel were older when they started winning.
  • Van_Heerden
    Van_Heerden Posts: 128
    Cav certainly seems to have an amazing ability to weave in an out of the available gaps.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    When will iTV realise that putting ''CAV GETS SECOND VICTORY'' somewhat ruins the point of watching the highlights!!!!!!
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  • Pirahna
    Pirahna Posts: 1,315
    Fantastic stuff from Cav.

    :D
  • robbarker
    robbarker Posts: 1,367
    DV359012.jpg

    Now that would make a good poster for my workshop wall.
  • simon_e
    simon_e Posts: 1,707
    Pirahna wrote:
    Fantastic stuff from Cav.

    :D
    +1

    And well done ITV to get two chats with the World's Fastest Man after the finish. I may just watch the highlights tonight to savour that overhead view once more. I think Ned appeared more choked than the boy himself this time.

    There was a hint of self-deprecation, or at least laughing at himself, which will hopefully calm the self-righteous outrage seen in recent threads when a fine sportsman doesn't always come across the finest gentleman (and apparently contradicted somewhat by Barry Glendenning's comments on Cav's blog).

    I'm so pleased that a British cyclist can go head-to-head with the world's top sprinters in the world's two biggest races and convincingly come out on top. I hope he can be a poster boy for the next generation.
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  • SteveR_100Milers
    SteveR_100Milers Posts: 5,987
    Simon E wrote:
    Pirahna wrote:
    Fantastic stuff from Cav.

    :D
    +1

    And well done ITV to get two chats with the World's Fastest Man after the finish. I may just watch the highlights tonight to savour that overhead view once more. I think Ned appeared more choked than the boy himself this time.

    There was a hint of self-deprecation, or at least laughing at himself, which will hopefully calm the self-righteous outrage seen in recent threads when a fine sportsman doesn't always come across the finest gentleman (and apparently contradicted somewhat by Barry Glendenning's comments on Cav's blog).

    I'm so pleased that a British cyclist can go head-to-head with the world's top sprinters in the world's two biggest races and convincingly come out on top. I hope he can be a poster boy for the next generation.

    +2

    He really is the Nigel Mansell of sprinting. Bring it on! :D
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    I thought his second interview was quite entertaining. First saying the great thing about his team was nobody with a big ego. And then saying that he knew people watching would be laughing becuase he's got a huge ego.
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    I only saw one Cavendish interview, where he looked justifiably pleased and did the usual and thanked the team for how they worked for him. In contrast, however, Ciolek in his interview wasn’t quite so enthralled about the teamwork.

    Ciolek said Cavendish lost his lead line about the 1 km mark, and after then he was never sure where Cavendish was, so had to slightly ease off for fear of leading out an opponent, before then sprinting himself the last 200 m, not at first knowing Cavendish was close by.
    Ciolek sounded like he doubted the value of the role he had been given, when his team-mate for whatever reason didn’t follow his lead-out.

    It looked to me on the repeat of the run-in that Cavendish didn’t follow Ciolek from about 1500 m out, whether because inattentive, locked out, or egocentric, it was hard to tell. Then with about 500 m to go, Cavendish re-appeared to latch briefly on to Ciolek’s slipstream before surging forward.
  • Noodley
    Noodley Posts: 1,725
    knedlicky wrote:
    I only saw one Cavendish interview, where he looked justifiably pleased and did the usual and thanked the team for how they worked for him. In contrast, however, Ciolek in his interview wasn’t quite so enthralled about the teamwork.

    Ciolek said Cavendish lost his lead line about the 1 km mark, and after then he was never sure where Cavendish was, so had to slightly ease off for fear of leading out an opponent, before then sprinting himself the last 200 m, not at first knowing Cavendish was close by.
    Ciolek sounded like he doubted the value of the role he had been given, when his team-mate for whatever reason didn’t follow his lead-out.

    It looked to me on the repeat of the run-in that Cavendish didn’t follow Ciolek from about 1500 m out, whether because inattentive, locked out, or egocentric, it was hard to tell. Then with about 500 m to go, Cavendish re-appeared to latch briefly on to Ciolek’s slipstream before surging forward.

    Cav was clearly seen right behind Ciolek, shouting at him. So why Ciolek thought he was not with him I have no idea...
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Noodley wrote:
    Cav was clearly seen right behind Ciolek, shouting at him. So why Ciolek thought he was not with him I have no idea...
    The motorbike camera in front of the pack showed what you mean when they are about 1.5 km out but soon thereafter the helicopter camera shows Ciolek move into the centre from the right and forward past some riders, but Cavendish doesn't follow. Then the trees along the boulevard obscure what's going on from the helicopter camera.
    When the TV coverage reverts to the motorbike camera in front, there's at first a definite gap between Ciolek and Cavendish. Cavendish moves forward, momentarily attaches behind Ciolek, then passes him.

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