Dodgy TT result yesterday

flattythehurdler
flattythehurdler Posts: 2,314
edited July 2008 in Pro race
I think the car with viagra and needles must have made it this time.
Dan
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    Yawn.
  • z000m
    z000m Posts: 544
    itv4 would have us believe Schumacher's win was a bit suspicious
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  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    Cancellara picked Schumacher as a potential rival prior to the TT:

    "Fabian Cancellara is the heavy favorite for victory in Tuesday’s 29.5km time trial. The two-time reigning world time trial only sees one man as a rival.

    “The Scottish,” said Cancellara said, referring to David Millar, not the Brave Heart hordes. “Millar is very strong right now. Who else? Name one? Maybe Schumacher on a short course. Evans will be good, but I usually can beat him.”"

    From Velonews: http://www.velonews.com/article/79543[/quote]
  • flattythehurdler
    flattythehurdler Posts: 2,314
    andyp wrote:
    Yawn.

    So what do you make of the incident in the Giro?
    Or do you prefer to suspend critical faculties?
    Are you pat mcqaid?
    Dan
  • campagchris
    campagchris Posts: 773
    Tony Gibb picked Schumacher as one to watch before the stage started,as it was a rolling course.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    flattythehurdler wrote:
    So what do you make of the incident in the Giro?
    Or do you prefer to suspend critical faculties?
    Are you pat mcqaid?
    Which incident at the Giro?

    If Schumacher had never won a time trial before then I'd be suspicious but he has a track record on medium distance tts so whilst it may have been a surprise it wasn't without precedent.

    It's just tedious that some people seem to only want to infer that everyone is doping. I've no idea if Schumacher is clean or not but he is a class act and has been for some time.
  • unclemalc
    unclemalc Posts: 563
    Watch out for Robbie Mac today - if the teams don't get organised and he doesn't get the win, he'll be eating babies alive after the stage - its all pain for him from Stage 6...
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  • natrix
    natrix Posts: 1,111
    andyp wrote:
    I've no idea if Schumacher is clean or not but he is a class act and has been for some time.

    He was caught with amphetamine in his system..................
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  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    If he gains a bunch of time on the mountains every day this year, then perhaps ask some questions. But when a good rider putting in a good ride (with the best weather conditions that day) forces you to ask annoying questions, then it's time for you to leave the sport.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • dulldave
    dulldave Posts: 949
    It's a bit annoying that whenever someone pulls on the yellow jersey the first thing anyone does is to rake into possible doping. But I guess that's cycling's fault for letting it get to that stage.

    It does seem a bit bizarre that they found amphetamines. I mean, if you can afford cocaine you don't take speed.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    barnesr wrote:
    andyp wrote:
    I've no idea if Schumacher is clean or not but he is a class act and has been for some time.

    He was caught with amphetamine in his system..................

    Out of competition by the police.

    Amphetamine out of competition does not violate any doping rules. Tis the same as Mr Boonen's gak positive.

    That said there's always been a whiff about thim. But if Chinny thought he could win the TT then he must be good.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • avoidingmyphd
    avoidingmyphd Posts: 1,154
    the "incident at the Giro" is, I think, what flattythehurdler was referring to at the start of the thread.

    Gerolsteiner rider Andrea Moletta's dad was detained with LOTS of viagra in his car and his son was withdrawn from the race. (see e.g. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... /may23news)

    We don't need to suspend out critical faculties to deny there's a link though. If viagra is for altitude, then it's not exactly the drug of choice for a flatlands TT is it?
  • dirk_van_gently
    dirk_van_gently Posts: 826
    barnesr wrote:
    He was caught with amphetamine in his system..................
    So that's where he got the turn of speed from :roll:
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  • andrewgturnbull
    andrewgturnbull Posts: 3,861
    Hi there.

    Ok, so it's obvious that Schumacher has a history... but as I said with Boonen, if he's not suspended or under investigation then he should be free to ride.

    Trial by media tittle-tattle can quickly become a witch hunt, and an inconsistent one at that.

    How come Ned Boulting didn't stick his microphone in front of Valverde last Saturday and ask him some pointed questions? How come we didn't get a recap of the Puerto case "just because they thought we should know"?

    Don't get me wrong, I think Valverde and Schumacher should both be in the race, it's just the inconsistent media reporting I don't like.

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  • flattythehurdler
    flattythehurdler Posts: 2,314
    Now if it had been a CSC , slipstream, highroad of fdesj rider, I would have happily accepted the result. We know that a few weeks ago, gerolsteiner riders were still cheating, hence my instant suspicion, His margin of victory was considerable.
    Dan
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    andrewgturnbull wrote:

    How come Ned Boulting didn't stick his microphone in front of Valverde last Saturday and ask him some pointed questions? How come we didn't get a recap of the Puerto case "just because they thought we should know"?

    Don't get me wrong, I think Valverde and Schumacher should both be in the race, it's just the inconsistent media reporting I don't like.

    Valverde did face questioning about Puerto on Saturday. Perhaps not on ITV but in the press conference he did.

    The problem with this stuff is I've seen loads of articles in the normal press sayign things like "Tour leader tested positive last year" etc etc. So perhaps ASO were on the money excluding Boonen - Although Schumachers situation is much the same.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Sea_Green_Incorruptible
    Sea_Green_Incorruptible Posts: 431
    Four words: Willing suspension of disbelief. Until it's proved beyond doubt it's a clean win in my book. I SOOOO want to enjoy the Tour for its own sake this year.
  • sportzchick
    sportzchick Posts: 45
    Dont you think that just maybe the fact that the TT was half the distance of a normal time trial would of made some difference

    If it had been your ususal 50+ ks I dont think we would of had the same results
  • chriskempton
    chriskempton Posts: 1,245
    avoidingmyphd wrote:
    the "incident at the Giro" is, I think, what flattythehurdler was referring to at the start of the thread.

    Gerolsteiner rider Andrea Moletta's dad was detained with LOTS of viagra in his car and his son was withdrawn from the race. (see e.g. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... /may23news)

    We don't need to suspend out critical faculties to deny there's a link though. If viagra is for altitude, then it's not exactly the drug of choice for a flatlands TT is it?

    Couldn't viagra confer an aerodynamic advantage?
  • flattythehurdler
    flattythehurdler Posts: 2,314
    For me, probably, for the rest of you, probably not.
    Dan
  • colint
    colint Posts: 1,707
    Jez mon wrote:
    If he gains a bunch of time on the mountains every day this year, then perhaps ask some questions. But when a good rider putting in a good ride (with the best weather conditions that day) forces you to ask annoying questions, then it's time for you to leave the sport.

    Here here, it's a getting a bit repetative flatty, with respect I think you're happy looking for dopers rather than good rides.
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  • z000m
    z000m Posts: 544
    without controversy the tdf wouldnt be half as interesting.
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  • drenkrom
    drenkrom Posts: 1,062
    Oh come on! Just because a guy who's rumored to have a dodgy doc, who happens to like party-candy and rides for a team in a last-possible-ditch effort to secure a sponsor (which means he's in a last-ditch effort to up the offers from other teams) and has a teammate who's in hot water after his pop got caught with a bootload of Viagra, wins a TT and causes a slight surprise, you suspect him of doping?

    Why would you ever think that? :roll:

    Seriously, though, it wasn't that much of a surprise to see him win, after all. He got picked by two guys in our local pool for that stage. It was more of a surprise to me to see him crumble in the first part of the year. You'll always be able to imply that a rider is dodgy, as there are rarely more than two degrees of separation between any rider and some kind of scandal.

    Schumacher is easy not to like, isn't he? He has one of those faces...
  • ms_tree
    ms_tree Posts: 1,405
    I've put this in on another thread. If you remember the UCI said they had a list of 23 riders with results that were a bit strange so I would think that maybe Schumacher is on that and has probably had a lot of extra tests. Just my opinion!
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  • st68
    st68 Posts: 219
    i think if a rider was on viagra in cycling shorts it might show :lol:
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    avoidingmyphd wrote:
    the "incident at the Giro" is, I think, what flattythehurdler was referring to at the start of the thread.

    Gerolsteiner rider Andrea Moletta's dad was detained with LOTS of viagra in his car and his son was withdrawn from the race.
    Moletta is Italian. No Italian should need viagra.
    Apparently watermelon contains the same stimulant and 6 watermelon slices can have the same effect as one viagra tablet. The article I read didn't say how big a slice, but I've seen many Italians (and Turks) easily down 1/3 large watermelon in one session.
  • Cumulonimbus
    Cumulonimbus Posts: 1,730
    The thing is that some people will have focussed on the first TT knowing that the winner could take the yellow jersey. The main GC hopes will be looking to peak either all the way through or in the mountain stages. People who are unlikely to place well in the overall but can time-trial well and climb well enough to stay with the leaders on the first two stages may well have tried to peak for this TT. Therefore people like Millar, Schumacher and Van de Velde would do better than would have been expected if everyone was planning to do well in this TT.
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    This morning, by pure coincidence, my local newspaper has an article on the use of Viagra in sport, having spoken to a couple of amateur 10K runners who have used it. The men claim that taking V not too long before a race, they can keep up a 5K pace for the whole 10K.

    The article goes on to then re-iterate some of what is said in the link from avoidingmyphd (like studies appearing to show V does improve performance, particularly at altitude). It also mentions that WADA are now considering including V on the banned list before the Olympics.

    Apparently LA knew of it before his 7th victory ...

    Viagra-endorsement-10490.jpg
  • DavidBelcher
    DavidBelcher Posts: 2,684
    knedlicky wrote:
    This morning, by pure coincidence, my local newspaper has an article on the use of Viagra in sport, having spoken to a couple of amateur 10K runners who have used it. The men claim that taking V not too long before a race, they can keep up a 5K pace for the whole 10K.

    <Fast Show>

    Ooh, can they keep it up longer, sir? Over a greater length, sir? Something other than their head crossing the line first at the photo-finish, sir? Ooh, suit you!

    </Fast Show>

    Sorry. Couldn't resist it. :oops:

    David
    "It is not enough merely to win; others must lose." - Gore Vidal
  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    knedlicky wrote:
    This morning, by pure coincidence, my local newspaper has an article on the use of Viagra in sport, having spoken to a couple of amateur 10K runners who have used it. The men claim that taking V not too long before a race, they can keep up a 5K pace for the whole 10K.

    Hee Hee.
    We had a couple of students from the local college testing us in the running club last year, with caffeine pills and placebos.
    We had to run our track session with nothing one week, with a pill the next, the times were compared.
    Predictably, we almost all went quicker the following week, including those on placebos.

    Now if we could get them to come back this week with the little blue pills...

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