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Brooks Saddle - Is it beyond repair?

cycling_simoncycling_simon Posts: 473
edited August 2008 in Road general
Hello all

Only last week I purchased an old racer from the tip for £4 - im not sure quite why I did, but there was something that I particually liked about it!

I am quite interested in the old brooks saddle, but it seems dead hard now and I wonder if it is possible to get it back into rideable condition, or if it is just too far gone. So I have taken loads of photos, hoping that some one will be kind enough to have a look and advise.

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I have read the following articles:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/leather.html
http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3822

but i am not sure what state the saddle can get to before it has degraded too much.

also there are a few bits on the bike that looked a little unusual, so as I had the camera out, I took some photos of them as well.

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Any help would be fantastic

Simon
YOU CAN TELL A HAPPY CYCLIST BY THE FLIES ON THEIR TEETH!

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  • y tiny tin Posts: 102
    Someone will be along shortly to tell that you've just bought the bargain of the century and the Brooks saddle will buff up nicely with some dobbin...........
    .......but FFS man :shock: , wake up and take it back to the coup now. Before it's too late. Jeez. :wink:


    ......actually I quite like the stem & bars....do you think they'd clean up :?
    >^..^<
  • It says brooks Champion Wallow B17, if that helps.

    and thanks for the comments y tin
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  • DickieDickie Posts: 1,489
    The saddle is a Brooks Swallow and looks fine it just needs a feed with some proofide. The weak spots are stitching round the stiffening wire and the riveted plate underneath.
    Frame I think is 40s at a stretch 50s and the lugs are Brampton. Stronglight c/set, rear mech looks Simplex and is a later addition. Webb pedals I think. Is the h/bar stem stuck?
    Looks like a Reynolds alloy l/bkt too. GB stem and possibly bars.Good find.
  • I scored a couple of Brooks saddles that looked pretty badly degraded. The leather was in a similar state to yours but the rails and plate were probably a bit less rusted. I polished the rails with some autosol (you may want to use wire wool) and applied reasonably copious amounts of proofide both underneath and on top. The saddles are now perfecly rideable and look pretty good too - obviously they look used but not scrappy. Give the proofide a go - you might be surprised at how nice it comes up.

    Nice looking bike btw. Bit of work but should clean up nice.
  • peejay78peejay78 Posts: 3,378
    good info from dickie there.

    i'd say late 40s, unlikely to be 50s on account of the headclip. gb stem as well - they tend to go for silly money on ebay.
  • bagpusscpbagpusscp Posts: 2,907
    Hayden forks at the front i think .The rear seat stays look mid 40's .See link to an old Mercian.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... 676815235/
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... 676815235/

    Hmm;I will find a better picture of rear seat stays.
    bagpuss
  • so is any of it worth anything - If it is il put it up for sale, as I hate to see things go to waste.

    If not il take the rest of the bits down the tip again

    Had a go with the saddle, it is as people say really comfortable.

    Thanks for all your help

    Simon
    YOU CAN TELL A HAPPY CYCLIST BY THE FLIES ON THEIR TEETH!
  • DickieDickie Posts: 1,489
    I would happily take it off your hands :D
  • 4candles4candles Posts: 240
    [email protected]

    this bloke will fix your seat...
  • Dickie, im keeping the brooks for my brothers Triumph Traffic Master and doing a little resto on it. are you interested in any of the other bits?

    Thanks for the email address 4candles, but I think I will have a go myself.
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  • DickieDickie Posts: 1,489
    Simon,sent you a pm.
  • DickieDickie Posts: 1,489
    Or you can mail me at

    [email protected]
  • just applyed the proofide to both sides.

    Will buff up the top when it is dry.

    Allready looks alot better :D

    Thanks
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  • SamWise72SamWise72 Posts: 453
    I used to do a lot of this stuff. That stem, on a good day when the Japanese are awake, might get you £30, believe it or not. The Brooks with a bit of love would get you £40 at least. The bars might be worth something, and if you can clean up the frame, you'd get £25, or more if you knew what it was. It was well worth your £4.
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  • can the saddle be dated?

    the serial number is 803514

    thanks

    regarding parts, I will get them up on ebay in a couple of weeks time.

    Thanks for any offer on parts, but I think it would be more fair to ebay them.

    Simon
    YOU CAN TELL A HAPPY CYCLIST BY THE FLIES ON THEIR TEETH!
  • The bars and stem are up on ebay

    email me at [email protected]

    for the bike, I think about £25+ and postage will be £20 with parcelforce

    Dickie, let me know as I know you were interested

    Simon
    YOU CAN TELL A HAPPY CYCLIST BY THE FLIES ON THEIR TEETH!
  • DickieDickie Posts: 1,489
    Thanks for the offer Simon. I have just spent money on a new cat and battery for the feckin car, so much as I would like it, I can't afford it. Bagpuss this needs rescuing :)
  • mamosmamos Posts: 95
    Has it had a repair on the down tube?

    mamos
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  • bagpusscpbagpusscp Posts: 2,907
    Dickie wrote:
    Thanks for the offer Simon. I have just spent money on a new cat and battery for the feckin car, so much as I would like it, I can't afford it. Bagpuss this needs rescuing :)

    No room here.I the last 6 months I have been given a Galibier,a 1950's Mercian ,A 1950's Claud {which I skipped as it was to far gone .Only last week a chap at work gave me a Carpenter frame.I also have a 1950 's Viking which may follow the Claud .
    I am desperately trying to say with one marque,ie Carlton .
    Room is a major issue at Bagpuss towers.Mrs Bagpuss even has to put up with the RRA behind the settee& a Kirk frame on top of the wardrobe :oops: + other scattered round the house.It was that bad at one stage the only room in the house that did not have a bike /bits in it was the bathroom.
    The men in white coats came last week;but they went after I told them all the bikes had been to school and did their home work.
    bagpuss
  • DickieDickie Posts: 1,489
    Whats wrong with the Viking BP?
  • Pete BeerPete Beer Posts: 604
    Well if you ever need a good home for any track irons, I'm sure I could help out.

    P
  • bagpusscpbagpusscp Posts: 2,907
    Dicke .Some pictures of the Viking.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... [email protected]
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... [email protected]/

    531 frame; 231/2; has damage to rear seat stay on right hand side,caused by lamp brackets.Some minor pitting round b/b .Main tubes straight,forks sound .FOC. Postage at cost.
    bagpuss
  • stickmanstickman Posts: 791
    Ask at the Brooks Saddles group on flickr.
    Bikes, saddles and stuff

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
    More stuff:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

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  • DickieDickie Posts: 1,489
    BP I can't say no! Could you drop me a line at

    [email protected]
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