David Davis

Harry B
Harry B Posts: 1,239
edited June 2008 in The bottom bracket
Why has David Davis resigned? He reckons he's going to stand for re-election and he's standing down on a civil liberties point. I wonder if he's been caught with is pants down :wink:
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  • Harry B
    Harry B Posts: 1,239
    Ah, the Lib Dems have said that they won't field a candidate against him in the by election. It's a stunt to draw attention to 42 day detention legislation :shock: Very sneaky...and clever :?
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  • pedylan
    pedylan Posts: 768
    He'll never resurrect his snooker career this way.
    Where the neon madmen climb
  • Diesel_engine
    Diesel_engine Posts: 37
    Didn't he used to present World of Sport?
  • DavidBelcher
    DavidBelcher Posts: 2,684
    Diesel_engine wrote:
    Didn't he used to present World of Sport?

    Nah, he presented local sport stuff on BBC Midlands Today, along with Alan "you can't see the join" Towers :wink:

    David
    "It is not enough merely to win; others must lose." - Gore Vidal
  • SmellTheGlove
    SmellTheGlove Posts: 697
    Harry B wrote:
    It's a stunt...

    Sorry Harry I can't hear you, he's a what?
    "Consider the grebe..."
  • schlepcycling
    schlepcycling Posts: 1,614
    Tory tw@t
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  • TheBoyBilly
    TheBoyBilly Posts: 749
    Actually I think he has done a very brave thing. It's about time someone put their head above the parapet and railed against this nanny state. I don't hold out much hope - the fascist lefties will always hold the moral high ground (yeah right). You won't see many Labour MPs put their necks on the line. Good on 'im I say. Now, where did I leave those Top Secret documents......................................
    To disagree with three-fourths of the British public is one of the first requisites of sanity - Oscar Wilde
  • Noodley
    Noodley Posts: 1,725
    TheBoyBilly wrote:
    ... the fascist lefties....

    One can hardly move in the country for those fascist lefties... :lol:
  • DavidBelcher
    DavidBelcher Posts: 2,684
    TheBoyBilly wrote:
    Actually I think he has done a very brave thing. It's about time someone put their head above the parapet and railed against this nanny state. I don't hold out much hope - the fascist lefties will always hold the moral high ground (yeah right). You won't see many Labour MPs put their necks on the line. Good on 'im I say. Now, where did I leave those Top Secret documents......................................

    Seat 5, Coach D, near the loo :wink:

    On a serious note, I can see Davis's point, and using the by-election as Joe Public's opportunity for a "mini-referendum" on the 42-day issue is a cracking idea. However, the Tories have a healthy majority in that constituency, so it should be a cut and dried outcome already and as such I'm not sure how much it will achieve in terms of changing Brown & co's minds - if he were to stand for a safe Labour seat and win it from them by a mile, it would be an excellent way of proving the point. On the other hand, if the existing majority in Howden is seriously boosted and Labour lose their deposit and/or get pushed into an obscure finishing position by remaining votes being cast for Greens, Independents, etc., I suppose it will have some impact.
    Also, I found it bizarre that the government had to fall back on the DUP to push the bill through - that'll be a party from the one bit of the UK where it was proved donkey's years ago that internment doesn't work, then....

    David
    "It is not enough merely to win; others must lose." - Gore Vidal
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Well apparently Kelvin MacKenzie the ex Sun editor will stand against him. He would apparently be in favor of 420 Days. As goes the usual argument...I've done nothing wrong so i've got nothing to fear.

    The trouble with civil liberties is that its very easy to drum up support for the removal of them, by panicking the public about terrorism. The government then try and make politicians who stand for civil liberties feel like they've got blood on their hands. Furthermore, many Civil Liberties arguments quickly look hysterical, i.e. comparisons with a fascist state.

    Having said all that, I am greatly in favor of protecting our civil liberties. Whether you admit it or not, there is good evidence that police and the government will miss use "anti-terrorism" laws. Furthermore, I always thought we were not meant to let terrorism change our opinion of human rights. Finally, I fail to see how many of these attacks on our civil liberties would protect us from terrorism, ID cards will make us more at risk from identity theft and the whole 42 days thing won't make a blind bit of difference in the process of catching terrorists, or preventing the terrorism.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • vermooten
    vermooten Posts: 2,697
    I wonder if DD was equally appalled when Thatcher & co decided that the miners in Yorkshire had far fewer human rights than the rest of us. is there any record of his actions at that tme?

    shlepcycling's analysis is correct.
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  • bagpusscp
    bagpusscp Posts: 2,907
    AAAHHHH that Carrot again ....but it was OK for a certain labour MP to tell the Miners to spit at Police Officers and try to bring down an elected Goverment.
    bagpuss
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Well, there will be a record of his actions at that time if you really want to look it up, and if you feel strongly about it you should. However, you can make an educated guess that to get where he is in today's tory party he would have had to follow party line.

    Therefore, you should just take anything he says about wanting to protect civil liberties as a complete joke, and keep voting for NuLab, who have obviously done a great job at protecting them and sticking up for the small man against big commercial interest.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • vermooten
    vermooten Posts: 2,697
    bagpusscp wrote:
    AAAHHHH that Carrot again ....but it was OK for a certain labour MP to tell the Miners to spit at Police Officers
    yup!
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  • womble88
    womble88 Posts: 32
    not sure why we're discussing this on the bikeradar site...but still!

    How long will it be until the miners' strike ceases to be wheeled out as some kind of stick to beat Tories with? I'm not sure what DD has done is particularly wise or even heroic, but I do fail to see what the events of 1984 (the year, not the book) have to do with this. And a right to a job in an unprofitable nationalised industry using taxpayers' money is not a 'human right', even if the strike and responses to it represent a stain on our history from all viewpoints.
  • bagpusscp
    bagpusscp Posts: 2,907
    Keep on Rockin in the "free World"

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/counter-terror-with-justice

    Yeah right .

    Least we forget how we do things in this Country.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus

    Over turn these at all our peril :!:
    bagpuss
  • pdstsp
    pdstsp Posts: 1,264
    To me there's right on both arguments - the erosion of ancient rights is insidious and to be fought against and he is a tory tw@t.
  • Gavin Gilbert
    Gavin Gilbert Posts: 4,019
    pdstsp wrote:
    To me there's right on both arguments - the erosion of ancient rights is insidious and to be fought against and he is a tory tw@t.

    Forcing a by-election is of course political flim-flam. Just as 42 days is political flim-flam. Whilst I hate the Tories, I hate Islamists too. And I'm not impressed on what the current administration are doing either.

    I will admit to approving to what DD is doing. He's an odious little shit but if flagging up what is happening to our ancient rights and liberties makes a handful of frightened sheep think beyond what they read in tabloid editorials it will be worth the kudos he gains.
  • Gavin Gilbert
    Gavin Gilbert Posts: 4,019
    TheBoyBilly wrote:
    Actually I think he has done a very brave thing. It's about time someone put their head above the parapet and railed against this nanny state. I don't hold out much hope - the fascist lefties will always hold the moral high ground (yeah right). You won't see many Labour MPs put their necks on the line. Good on 'im I say. Now, where did I leave those Top Secret documents......................................

    I'm glad you've joined up here. Since bonj skipped off to CycleChat we've missed having a village idiot. The place feels more complete with you.
  • nwallace
    nwallace Posts: 1,465
    If it gets the same or more publicity than the Crew & Natntwich by-election then it will do as hoped. If it doesn't then it's a wash out.

    He does have a strong majority, the party he had a 3% majority over (Lib Dem) are not putting a candidate forward.

    I seriously doubt he has a chance of loosing it. Some of the "rebel" labour MPs shoudl be doing this though, fi they really actually care that is
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  • bagpusscp
    bagpusscp Posts: 2,907
    You really have to laugh at this present Goverment .The amount of documents they keep lying around to shore up their spent "tory " policies The best been the recent "TOP SECRET FLIES" left on a train.The whole shower beggers belief.Come on Brown go to the Country.

    Ps .Why is it some people slag each other off on BR ,instead of just engaging a good clean debate :roll: :idea:
    bagpuss
  • TheBoyBilly
    TheBoyBilly Posts: 749
    How did I know the Gavster was going to have a dig at me............good job I have broad shoulders eh? Not to worry, I will be having a good few beverages to toast the Irish tomorrow.
    To disagree with three-fourths of the British public is one of the first requisites of sanity - Oscar Wilde
  • OffTheBackAdam
    OffTheBackAdam Posts: 1,869
    Gavin Gilbert wrote:
    we've missed having a village idiot.
    Fear not Mr Gilbert, you more than adequately fill the position!
    Remember that you are an Englishman and thus have won first prize in the lottery of life.
  • Gavin Gilbert
    Gavin Gilbert Posts: 4,019
    OffTheBackAdam wrote:
    Gavin Gilbert wrote:
    we've missed having a village idiot.
    Fear not Mr Gilbert, you more than adequately fill the position!

    Cool! both of the forums frothing neo-nazi loons on my case 8)
  • st68
    st68 Posts: 219
    good greif politics is BORING :roll: about as interesting as trainspotting!
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