Hardcore hardtail...

Cappie

I generally ride freeride and DH, but as we all know those sort of rigs have limitations!

Recently been looking for a hardtail frame that can cope with jumps, freeride and a bit of XC which would only be a few hours ride out worth, nothing all day or enduro!

Been looking at the Orange Crush, and the Orange Sub Zero, but can't really tell the difference between the two! Only frame geometry on the sub zero to accomodate long travel forks!

Cheers muchly for any advice!

rob cole

bear in mind that most hardcore hardtails require a longer fork to set the right geometry, typically 150mm, and you want to build it with heavy duty kit to get the most out the frame (no point in hanging light weight XC kit on a heavy duty frame)

as long as you are happy lugging around more weight, then it would certainly be a fun bike to ride on the right terrain

if you don't want something so heavy, look at bikes with 130mm forks

for a "hardcore hardtail" I'd have a good look at the DMR Ex(ALT) which is available in 3 sizes, which means you can run a larger size and have more room for breathing and shifting weight on climbs, but the frames even in the medium and large size are still very compact for freeride

Cappie

The extra weight isn't an issue, i'm not a small lad so it doesn't make all that much difference to me!

Looked at DMR's, just looking to build up something on the cheap, more than likely off flea-bay, and the DMR stuff seems to hold its price!

Thanks for the help!

M...

GT Destroyer

Cappie - The Orange Crush is an awesome bike. We have ridden trails at Dalby, Wharncliffe and Stainburn. Plus we sometimes do a bit of the jumps etc. Also ridden it on street-ish stuff around and about in local parks etc....

I am a big lad too, thats one of the reasons why I opted for the Crush. The weight isnt really an issue for me either.

I got the frame on its own and built up the rest of the bike - That way you get top notch stuff on it, I have Pikes, XT groupset, Ritchey C/Fibre finishing kit etc.....

I think the Sub-Zero wouldn't go round the trails as well as the Crush potentially, but it was be better at the jumping/freeriding stuff?

Can't go wrong with the Crush.

jamie12345

spesh p all mountain or norco sasquatch.

BlackSpur

If weight is no issue, and you can wait a couple of weeks...

http://www.24sevenbikes.com/deviant_elite.html

Mark909

Whats the spec on the deviant?

Cappie

Argh, i wasn't wanting to spend loads! and try and do it on the cheap! But that 24/7 is awesomely beautiful, I should look away now!

Cheers for the input tho!

chineapplepunk

http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDeta ... egoryID=11

A good place to start