New wheels- DT Swiss RR 1450?

blorg

Thinking of getting DT Swiss RR 1450s (not the mon chasserals as I don't want white and I believe the rear may be more durable on the standard RR 1450s.) Cost will be £379 from CRC. This wheelset is light (1480g) and has very good reviews at RoadBikeReview with 5/5 overall from everyone who wrote a review.

Any drawbacks? Anything else I should consider?

Fulcrum Racing 3s would be an alternative from a LBS at around £310. LBS obviously has advantages if anything goes wrong with the wheels.

Do a lot of climbing and the light weight of the DT Swiss appeals, as does the relatively standard rebuildable components. And the price is well below Mavic or Fulcrum at around this weight.

I would be replacing Aksiums (which I am happy with and will probably keep as well) on a Focus Cayo.

Brian B

Have read on this Forum that they are not the most robust of wheels. Saying that I know somebody who has them and he has had no probs. Probably not for the heavier rider like me but ok if you are a race snake.

maddog 2

handbuilts?

OPs, DT revs, and say Tune/DT/Chris King etc. hubs

will build up just as light, and you can control the spec to suit you exactly.

blorg

I would consider handbuilts but wouldn't see them coming in quite so cheap with that sort of componentry. I have read that the RR 1450s are handbuilt, just _by_ DT Swiss and in fact come with a card signed by the builder.

I'll be going for Open Pros on Ultegra on my light touring bike although would not be looking to get so light with that.

Lagavulin

I've got DT 1850's and they do come with a handbuilt certificate stating they were handbuilt by such and such. The hubs (DT240s) the rims (DT RR 1.2s) and the spokes (DT Aerolite) are widely avaialbe so that was part of the appeal but as yet nothings gone wrogn with them.

I'd certainly consider another set of DT wheels. I'm 10.5-11 stone so I think I'd be okay with the mon Chasserals.

System_1

Was there not a problem with the early models pulling spokes through the rim? I remember reading about it a while back. I think that's why they brought out a double eyelet version to cure the problem. Chain Reaction don't say whether it's the double or single eyelet version.

phil s

I had the problem with the spokes pulling through the rims - I'm 69-70kg.

blorg

As far as I know the standard RR 1450s (@1480g) always had double eyelet rear rims. The Mon Chasserals (@1450g) saved weight by using a single eyelet rear rim. This is one of the reasons I was planning on going for the standard ones. I have read that they changed the MC to double due to the spoke pulling through problem but don't think that ever existed on the standard version.

I'm not that light, range between 12 stone in summer and 13 stone in winter (76-82 kg, heavier than phil in any season.) I would be planning on keeping the Aksiums for winter training though, these would be summer wheels.

Phil- do you have the Mon Chasseral or the standard RR 1450?

LangerDan

I have the RR1450s with the double -eyelet rims. The "1450" tag is a bit misleading - the DT website states 1480g as you've noted, the weight of mine was a little over 1500g. The hubs are very nice but I've had a number of problems with the rear wheel (It went slightly out of true after a hilly 100 miler last year) The amount of force required to break the spoke locking compund was more than sufficent to deform the aero spoke, despite using the correct spoke-holding tool. At €3 a pop, replacement Aerolites are not cheap either. I'm now rebuilding the wheel with non-aero spokes (well, I will be when my LBS gets the finger out and gets hold of the spokes)

FWIW, I'm ~80-kg and would like to think I'm fairly sympathetic to equipment.

alunwyn

I almost wish I hadn't read this thread - I've just started riding on a new Mon Chasserale 1450 rear wheel having killed off my much beloved Easton Orion II rear (which was a great wheel).

The bad news I'm ~100kg so I'd better start shopping for replacements now....
:?

Kafka\'s Doll

alunwyn wrote:

I almost wish I hadn't read this thread - I've just started riding on a new Mon Chasserale 1450 rear wheel having killed off my much beloved Easton Orion II rear (which was a great wheel).

The bad news I'm ~100kg so I'd better start shopping for replacements now....
:?

Alun Wyn and a heavy feller. You don't play for Wales, perchance, Mr Jones?

blorg

I have read that they beefed up the Mon Chasserals after the early problems, so you may be OK.

DT spec a max rider weight of 90kg though for both the RR 1450s and the MCs. I suspect they err on the side of caution, but you could also see it as an incentive to lose 10kg!

venusi

LangerDan
Are they definitely Aerolites in there?
I've been trying to find out exactly what spokes are in them. Most people seem to think they're Revolutions like on the Mon Chasserals.

LangerDan

venusi wrote:

LangerDan
Are they definitely Aerolites in there?
I've been trying to find out exactly what spokes are in them. Most people seem to think they're Revolutions like on the Mon Chasserals.

If you go to the DT Swiss website and look up the spec for the spokes on the 1450s, they're called up as "double butted and bladed", which is the same description they use to describe the Aerolites. The Revolutions are butted but not bladed. My own RR1450 spokes are definitely butted and bladed.

In fact, if you go to the DT Swiss spoke calculator and "build" a set of RR1450's, the default spoke called up is the Aerolite.

blorg

As far as I know the standard wheel uses bladed spokes while the Mon Chasseral uses round spokes.

RR1450
http://www.dtswiss.com/Products/Wheels/ ... RR-1450-(1)/RR-1450-Shimano-rear.aspx
(you'll need to copy the link, BikeRadar doesn't like brackets in a link)

RIM: SBWT® welded, DT Swiss wear control, double eyelets
SPOKES: 28 pcs, double butted and bladed

RR1450 Mon Chasseral

RIM: SBWT® welded, DT Swiss wear control
SPOKES: 28 pcs, double bladed

Note I think this is a typo and they mean double butted but not bladed, if you look at the top there is a "bladed" icon on the standard RR1450 but not the RR1450MC. This would be consistent with what I have read elsewhere.

alunwyn

The Mon Chasserale's are definitely not bladed.

To answer Kafka\'s Doll - I'd love to lie and say I was playing rugby for Wales but alas I'm a bit too old for that dream to come true now (though not that old!).

Anyone have any feedback on the hubs for these wheels? My only criticism of the Eastons was that when I removed the cassette to switch onto the new wheels I found the cogs had bitten into the splines quite deeply...

LangerDan

alunwyn wrote:

Anyone have any feedback on the hubs for these wheels? My only criticism of the Eastons was that when I removed the cassette to switch onto the new wheels I found the cogs had bitten into the splines quite deeply...

The DT hubs suffer from the same issue, as do the Planet-Xs and many others that use an alloy freehub body. Apparently the way to avoid this is to use top-of-the range cassettes that have several of the sprockets mounted on a single carrier, thus spreading the load.

blorg

I got the RR1450s in the end and have been massively happy with them over 1,500km or so. Really took a whack of weight off the bike, it goes up hills much easier now. Unfortunately though I had a crash and am now looking at rebuilding the rear wheel- I've posted a new thread here asking for advice on where to get a new rim as DT only list the single-eyelet RR1.1 in a 28 spoke (if you have any advice on that topic, please post in that thread.)

tenor

Go to a master wheel builder such as Rowlands or Hewitt, tell them that you want a set of light (sub 1500g) wheels and see what they recommend. Then take their advice and rejoice in a wise decision.