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Kléber

Ale Jet's been sacked by Milram. No doubt Liquigas will be on the case soon...

forearms Van Petegem

Kléber wrote:

Ale Jet's been sacked by Milram. No doubt Liquigas will be on the case soon...

hellllooooooo Gerald Ciolek

Jez mon

I can't work out what the point of milram team is now, they just seemed to be a lead out train for petachi.

Looking at their results, only Zabel has registered more than once as a winner and he is past his best (harsh but true).

So is another "pro tour" team just going to have to race like they are just making up the numbers?

sing_for_absolution

Jez mon wrote:

I can't work out what the point of milram team is now, they just seemed to be a lead out train for petachi.

Looking at their results, only Zabel has registered more than once as a winner and he is past his best (harsh but true).

So is another "pro tour" team just going to have to race like they are just making up the numbers?

They've got a promising classics rider in Niki Terpstra.

Brian B

Could be a large pay offering to young Cav for next season from Milram. It would make sense.

scmb

Why was he sacked - was it because he was suspended? :?

Keith Oates

A mutual parting of the ways as I understand it and it was in the agreement made with Milram that anyone caught out would have to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jimmythecuckoo

They have a nice kit, but are a terrible team it has to be said. Even worse without AleJet.

Milram-fan

There's a bit more to Milram than Pettachi and Zabel. There's a lot of young, talented riders in the team, the seven brought in over winter were all under 25. There's u23 world champion Velits, the aforementioned Niki Terpstra and Grivko who was third at criterium international last year. The team is sticking to their anti-doping principles which can only be good for cycling. It sends a message that the biggest names aren't going to get special dispensation - are you watching Liquigas? This season may be a bit of a write off but it'll give some the younger guys a chance to learn and improve. Hopefully the team will be reaping the benefits in the coming years.

pat1cp

Great Topic Title, best for a while, although I'm sad Pettachi got banned for a puff too far, ooooo, all that hair !!! :? :?

pat1cp

Great Topic Title, best for a while, although I'm sad Pettachi got banned for a puff too far, ooooo, all that hair !!! :? :?

Jez mon

Whilst I agree that teams doing everything they can to promote clean cycling is a good thing, the facts of the case seem to be, Alejandro took too many puffs BY ACCIDENT! this showed up on the pee test after he won a stage.

Now I know someone on the medication that Alejandro took, and it definitely doesn't seem to have a performance enhancing effect and seems to cause him cramps (admittedly this is no medical study i'm quoting from, but apparently the medication is known for causing cramps)

The point I'm trying to make is that, clamping down on PEDs is very much necessary, but banning someone who accidentally took too many puffs, whilst there are seemingly many rampant EPO/blood transfusion takers in the pro peleton.

timoid.

Its a masking agent for more serious stuff.

The big question is why is nobody knocking the soon to be King of the Mountains for testing for even higher amounts of the same stuff on the same stage.

andyp

Timoid. wrote:

Its a masking agent for more serious stuff.

The big question is why is nobody knocking the soon to be King of the Mountains for testing for even higher amounts of the same stuff on the same stage.

Ever wondered why so many pros (Bettini, Pozzato, Peipoli et al) reside in Monaco and race with a Monaco license?

I believe their motto is turning a blind eye.

redddraggon

andyp wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Its a masking agent for more serious stuff.

The big question is why is nobody knocking the soon to be King of the Mountains for testing for even higher amounts of the same stuff on the same stage.

Ever wondered why so many pros (Bettini, Pozzato, Peipoli et al) reside in Monaco and race with a Monaco license?

I believe their motto is turning a blind eye.

Or could it be to do with tax?

iainf72

andyp wrote:

Ever wondered why so many pros (Bettini, Pozzato, Peipoli et al) reside in Monaco and race with a Monaco license?

I believe their motto is turning a blind eye.

Would you not like to live in Monaco?

Switzlerland is where it's at for dodginess. The best doctors live there and people are discrete.

andyp

The Monegasque authorities seem keen to ensure that their reputation for welcoming and supporting athletes remains, hence the total lack of any disciplinary hearings against both Piepoli, who lest we forget had much higher levels of salbutamol than Petacchi, and Rasmussen who also raced under a Monaco license.

I'd hate to live there - it's overcrowded, full of high rise apartment blocks and people who think success in life is measured by bank balance.

iainf72

andyp wrote:

I'd hate to live there - it's overcrowded, full of high rise apartment blocks and people who think success in life is measured by bank balance.

Whoa, there, don't mess with my head.

I must admit, there does seem to be a high percentage of questionable cyclists living there. The tax benefits much be a huge draw though - Brad McGee lives there too and I'm probably 51% convinced he's not dodgy.

forearms Van Petegem

Mcgee is on the up, there are not many who that can be said about

Jez mon

So lets get a picture of Ale before the test...he won the stage and wanted to cover something up so used salbutamol in a panic he took too much. Hardly sounds the stuff of a highly organized drug regime.

OR he accidentally took too much of a medication which he needed.

Now with salbutamol being a masking agent, surely having it on the banned substances which are allowed in small doses list is a bad idea. Are there any asthma meds, which are not masking agents and if so, why not ban salbutamol altogether rather than having an obvious gray area which some federations are happy to overlook altogether.

Overall, i can't help but feel that Petacchi has been treated slightly unfairly.

drenkrom

Brian B wrote:

Could be a large pay offering to young Cav for next season from Milram. It would make sense.

If Zabel is anywhere near the team, they'll want Ciolek. It seems Zabel had been trying to get T-Mob to sign him for two years when he left. He saw the promise in Ciolek and wanted to groom him himself. For a young sprinter, that's a hard offer to pass by. That's assuming Zabel still has the motivation to do that. He looks mighty disillusioned to me in any picture of him this year.

As for Salbutamol, on a weekend ride in heavy pollen season last week, all three riders in my group who use it logged exactly our number of inhalations for a 6-hour ride. All of us would've blown the limit for sure, for entirely legitimate use corresponding to the recommended dosage written on the inhaler itself. Well, if you really must know, I use to mask my use of Ben & Jerry's.

Still, rules are rules.

forearms Van Petegem

there is conflicting reports Denkrom, on the amount of the substance in Peta/Peipoli's urine, and what you could intake orally.

There is the theory it was not oral, and it could have had performance and/or masking benefits.


Oh, and Ciolek will be a better sprinter than Cav, he will go to Milram on big money.

GroupOfOne MkII

Well apparently Lampre and Saunier Duval have both expressed an interest in signing him, providing he can get a two day reduction on his ban, so he can ride the Vuelta.

Providing he does, I think he'll end up at Saunier Duval until the end of the season, as they're lacking a top line sprinter, whereas Lampre have got Napolitano. Of course Lampre have been rumoured to be short of money the last year or so, but maybe the new co-sponsor (NGC Medical) will stump up for Ale jet.

drenkrom

For all discussions about Salbutamol, I take for granted that it was taken orally. CONI tried to prove the contrary (how? I have no idea) but couldn't, so I'll go with the legal conclusion, however flawed that may be. Besides, how you would prepare Salbutamol for subcutaneous injection is quite beyond me. One thing's for sure, if you go to that length, it's not for your bronchiae any more!

I'd bet that Milram will replace Peta with more than one rider. That must be one huge chunk of their budget that just got unfrozen and they can surely bring in someone big. Who's contract is up come October?