Millar's pot shot at Basso
today was spot on...absolutely how the Giro should start, a leading rider and in Italy saying what needs said! Well said Mr Millar!
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Millar mouths off an awful lot. When he was caught he came up with some BS, "I've only used EPO twice" line.
If so how has he gone from TT king to not being able to hold on to Julian Dean's shirt-tails in the TTT? I think he's clean now, but did a lot of funny business for years.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Timoid. wrote:Millar mouths off an awful lot.
I agree, he does have a big mouth. I can't say that I like him that much. He had to much to say at last years tour. Until he starts proving himself as a good rider he should keep quiet.
Besides who does he think will make a hero out of Basso anyway? And is he himself hero material now that he's a 'born again christian'?0 -
I believe he knows what doping can do to your life, never mind your career, and he gets annoyed when he sees other people making the same mistakes he did.0
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nah, Millar is not really doing anything out of philanthropy.
He said he doped on two occasions, or was it three?
No way, that was utter BS. He consistenly doped throughout his Cofidis career.0 -
I like Millar - But he needs to regulate his mouth sometimes. His comeback was with an exceptionally dodgy team and he must've known what was going on, but he just seemed to smile and get on with it.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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iainf72 wrote:I like Millar - But he needs to regulate his mouth sometimes. His comeback was with an exceptionally dodgy team and he must've known what was going on, but he just seemed to smile and get on with it.
yep, I would contend Saunier are the dirtiest team in the peloton. Someone ask Aaron Olsen. He was clean, but encourage to go seek help.0 -
Millar never had to confess to winning the world TT champs on EPO.0
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Millar is right - Basso hasn't even served his ban yet let alone the fact he hasn't even confessed to doping. Whatever you think of Millar giving Basso any kind of anti doping role at this time is just wrong.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Dave_1 wrote:Millar never had to confess to winning the world TT champs on EPO.
[/Puts on devils advocate hat.]
Basso never had to confess to attempted doping.
[/Removes hat, fixes hair.]
yes he did...he had blood banked with DNA threat to prove it eventually assuming the authorities cooperated as happened between Germany/Switzerland and Spain to catch Ullrich. Basso feared the same surely?
Millar was in no way linked to doping at the world's 2003 by the syringes of EPO..which really...only proved that he doped...never proved which race he doped for...he had the power to choose that...Millar handed away his biggest win and did not need to.Basso was mush less honest0 -
Hmmmm. Do you believe Millar has been completely honest? I expect he's been a bit economical and certainly has been turning a blind eye while at Saunier.
It's like his team - So the Giro leader is a guy who's been on USPS (including the Tour team twice), Liberty and CSC. So the chances he's probably doped in the past are pretty high, no? Has he done any time? No. Yet he gets no bother from anyone?
Millar may have a point but Basso but he doesn't have room to talk.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
SD is a funny team. It employed Olsen, Pinotti and Millar, generally considered some of the best bets for cleanliness and then a whole raft of nefarious characters.
Still think its highly unfair that Piepoli rides the Giro and Petacchi has a year's exile.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
He's a bit of a mixed bag Millar. He seems redemptive, which makes him appealing to the cycling fans. Then he starts to sound like an American preacher giving us a sermon on how just he is and how the devil is everywhere. I admire his honesty in admitting he did wrong and hopes to help others from following his path, but if you believe he did it twice I think you may be dissapointed. He is an average rider with an above average media profile. He has never looked like being a top rider since his return so you can make of that what you will.0
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iainf72 wrote:Hmmmm. Do you believe Millar has been completely honest? I expect he's been a bit economical and certainly has been turning a blind eye while at Saunier.
It's like his team - So the Giro leader is a guy who's been on USPS (including the Tour team twice), Liberty and CSC. So the chances he's probably doped in the past are pretty high, no? Has he done any time? No. Yet he gets no bother from anyone?
Millar may have a point but Basso but he doesn't have room to talk.
well...he gave away the crown jewels of his palmares with no obvious link via empty syringes...so I would guess he has been honest..had he said it was for a fish and chip level event, then that would be suspect. Millar admited more than he ever needed to and Basso had a real fear of being linked to blood...Millar has no such and made a confession. I think Vaughters has been honest and said last year he doesn't even guarantee everyone on his team has been clean in the past, just that they are now...so JV has to some extent answered that query Iain...he isn't saying his guys were clean there whole careers. Millar drop in performance show he is clean IMO. His is 31 now and could be slowing down...been a pro 10 years...so it is difficult to know why he is slower0 -
I think he's just p!ssed off McQuaid didn't make an example of him. But he's basically right: Basso is no example to follow for younger riders. As long as Millar doesn't imply he is, I have no problem with him shooting his mouth off.0
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Dave_1 wrote:I think Vaughters has been honest and said last year he doesn't even guarantee everyone on his team has been clean in the past, just that they are now...so JV has to some extent answered that query Iain...he isn't saying his guys were clean there whole careers.
So some of his riders may have been dodgy, continue to lie about it, have never served a ban and a co-owner of the team feels comfortable judging someone else?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Dave_1 wrote:I think Vaughters has been honest and said last year he doesn't even guarantee everyone on his team has been clean in the past, just that they are now...so JV has to some extent answered that query Iain...he isn't saying his guys were clean there whole careers.
So some of his riders may have been dodgy, continue to lie about it, have never served a ban and a co-owner of the team feels comfortable judging someone else?
there have been no accusations so they are not continuing to lie...it's only that once accussed that they lie if they deny. Co owner of the team confessed when he did not have to, Basso confessed cause he had no choice0 -
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afx237vi wrote:What would that prove? That he had blood stored in Fuentes' clinic - he freely admits that.
You need to pay more attention. Read the post I quoted from iainf72.afx237vi wrote:You can't prove he ever used it for a race.
I never said I could. He did though. Remember he was on the list of "Festival of May" participants.0 -
TheHog wrote:afx237vi wrote:What would that prove? That he had blood stored in Fuentes' clinic - he freely admits that.
You need to pay more attention. Read the post I quoted from iainf72.
My mistake, fair point then. Although could the UCI even have got the blood to test? The Spanish judge wasn't the most co-operative fella, was he? Didn't they only get Ullrich's because the Germans wanted it in relation to the fraud case they had against him?0 -
afx237vi wrote:TheHog wrote:afx237vi wrote:What would that prove? That he had blood stored in Fuentes' clinic - he freely admits that.
You need to pay more attention. Read the post I quoted from iainf72.
My mistake, fair point then. Although could the UCI even have got the blood to test? The Spanish judge wasn't the most co-operative fella, was he? Didn't they only get Ullrich's because the Germans wanted it in relation to the fraud case they had against him?
Basso knew the game was up and confessed to something when he had no choice. they got Ullrich's because the Spanish judge cooperated-as he would have with a Basso inquiry0 -
afx237vi wrote:TheHog wrote:afx237vi wrote:What would that prove? That he had blood stored in Fuentes' clinic - he freely admits that.
You need to pay more attention. Read the post I quoted from iainf72.
My mistake, fair point then. Although could the UCI even have got the blood to test? The Spanish judge wasn't the most co-operative fella, was he? Didn't they only get Ullrich's because the Germans wanted it in relation to the fraud case they had against him?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... apr24news20 -
Dave_1 wrote:Co owner of the team confessed when he did not have to,
Confessed when he did not have to ? When he was offered the option of being the option of being someones prison wife, he sang like a canary. Millar has continued to insist that it was everyone elses fault and anyway he only fell off the wagon a couple of times. Even in his own promotional videos he cannot face the camera when discussing his doping. He just stares off in the distance like the owner of an unclaimed fart.
As for the other co-owner, he continues to insist that the "hot sauce" he referred to in the infamous IM with Frankie Andreu was caffeine. Yeah right.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
TheHog wrote:afx237vi wrote:TheHog wrote:afx237vi wrote:What would that prove? That he had blood stored in Fuentes' clinic - he freely admits that.
You need to pay more attention. Read the post I quoted from iainf72.
My mistake, fair point then. Although could the UCI even have got the blood to test? The Spanish judge wasn't the most co-operative fella, was he? Didn't they only get Ullrich's because the Germans wanted it in relation to the fraud case they had against him?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... apr24news2
More here::
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... apr25news20 -
TheHog wrote:TheHog wrote:afx237vi wrote:TheHog wrote:afx237vi wrote:What would that prove? That he had blood stored in Fuentes' clinic - he freely admits that.
You need to pay more attention. Read the post I quoted from iainf72.
My mistake, fair point then. Although could the UCI even have got the blood to test? The Spanish judge wasn't the most co-operative fella, was he? Didn't they only get Ullrich's because the Germans wanted it in relation to the fraud case they had against him?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... apr24news2
More here::
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... apr25news2
Millar is justified in what he said about Basso.0 -
Dave_1 wrote:Basso knew the game was up and confessed to something when he had no choice. they got Ullrich's because the Spanish judge cooperated-as he would have with a Basso inquiry
I'm not so sure - What Basso subject to a criminal investigation like Ullrich was? I know there was talk of his blood being tested but there was a lot of talk in this case.
I'll say it again, in principle I don't disagree with Millar, I just think it's very very very very rich coming from him.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Dave_1 wrote:Basso knew the game was up and confessed to something when he had no choice. they got Ullrich's because the Spanish judge cooperated-as he would have with a Basso inquiry
I'm not so sure - What Basso subject to a criminal investigation like Ullrich was? I know there was talk of his blood being tested but there was a lot of talk in this case.
I'll say it again, in principle I don't disagree with Millar, I just think it's very very very very rich coming from him.
But Millar paid with his best palmares, Basso would not...0 -
Dave_1 wrote:
But Millar paid with his best palmares, Basso would not...
I don't see that as an issue. So Millar handed his win to Mick Rogers. Is that justice? Or just more of a tragedy?
How do you know any of Millar's victories were clean? Because he said so?
If Basso gave back his Giro, then who gets it? The Buffalo? Simoni?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Dave_1 wrote:
But Millar paid with his best palmares, Basso would not...
I don't see that as an issue. So Millar handed his win to Mick Rogers. Is that justice? Or just more of a tragedy?
How do you know any of Millar's victories were clean? Because he said so?
If Basso gave back his Giro, then who gets it? The Buffalo? Simoni?
Well, why give away victories when there was no evidence to prove it...suggests he told the truth...why not give away lesser races? Basso should have done a Millar and admit it. You can't treat Basso and Millar the same-Basso gets to be 06 Giro winner doped and Millar loses his world title-that is unfair. I still think Basso handled half of his problem correctly...not trashing every team he was ever with...but he should have shown what it takes to win Grand Tours-completely dope fueled0
