Vino stripped of Tour stage wins

DaveyL

Is this an old story, or have I discovered a new, doping related story before Iain???

From here:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... /apr30news

"Alexander Vinokourov is no longer the winner of stages 13 and 15 of the 2007 Tour de France. Following his suspension in response to blood-doping charges, his name has been removed from the records and the wins have been awarded to Kim Kirchen of Team High Road (formerly T-Mobile Team) and Cadel Evans of Silence-Lotto (formerly Predictor-Lotto).

"Kim Kirchen and Cadel Evans have been informed by UCI, with two letters on April 8 and 9, that following the disqualification of Alexander Vinokourov they have been declared as winners of the 15th and the 13th stages of the 2007 Tour de France," UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani told Cyclingnews Tuesday.

The Luxembourg Sports Press Association released the e-mail letter to Kirchen, which read, "Following the suspension of Alexandre Vinokourov pursuant to an Anti-Doping Rule violation during the 2007 Tour de France I am writing to congratulate you on winning stage 15 of that event. Our records have been amended accordingly."

In the stage 15, from Foix to Loudenvielle, Kirchen finished second, 51 seconds behind Vinokourov. Stage 13 was a time trial, 54 km with start and finish in Albi, and the Kazakh rider finished an astonishing 1.14 ahead of Evans.

It was announced on July 25 that Vinokourov had tested positive after the time trial. Team Astana withdrew from the Tour and the rider was eventually given a one-year suspension.

Neither Kirchen nor Evans nor their teams responded to Cyclingnews' request for a comment."

Interesting last sentence...

dave_1

Wiggins was therefore 2nd in that TDF

drenkrom

you mean 2nd IN A STAGE OF that TDF

slight difference.

iainf72

DaveyL wrote:

Is this an old story, or have I discovered a new, doping related story before Iain???

From here:

Phil S and his doping box means I avoid the D word. I'm hanging onto my pound coins for parking purposes

ridgerider

I think I am due some PTP points for Kirchen's promotion...

celbianchi

DaveyL wrote:

Is this an old story, or have I discovered a new, doping related story before Iain???

From here:

Neither Kirchen nor Evans nor their teams responded to Cyclingnews' request for a comment."

Interesting last sentence...

I am sure Kirchen in particular must be bitter that he was not given the chance to ride across the line, arms aloft having won the road stage. I mean, how many times in your career does that moment present itself to you?

phil s

@ Iain

DaveyL

celbianchi wrote:

DaveyL wrote:

Is this an old story, or have I discovered a new, doping related story before Iain???

From here:

Neither Kirchen nor Evans nor their teams responded to Cyclingnews' request for a comment."

Interesting last sentence...

I am sure Kirchen in particular must be bitter that he was not given the chance to ride across the line, arms aloft having won the road stage. I mean, how many times in your career does that moment present itself to you?

You would have thought so. I wonder, if Wiggins had been second in the TT, and so was subsequently awarded the stage win, would he fail to respond to cn.com's request for a comment? Something tells me, no.

drenkrom

What kind of deadline did the teams have to issue comments before cyclingnews posted the article? We don't know. I really wouldn't make anything of it. What are they going to say anyways? "I'm really happy, bla bla bla..." I can live without that.

celbianchi

drenkrom wrote:

What kind of deadline did the teams have to issue comments before cyclingnews posted the article? We don't know. I really wouldn't make anything of it. What are they going to say anyways? "I'm really happy, bla bla bla..." I can live without that.

I'd have expected Kirchen to say something along the lines as to how a cheat had robbed him of his big moment of glory, crossing the line savouring the moment, his podium celebration and how more must be done to ensure cheats are driven out of the sport.

Unless......

iainf72

celbianchi wrote:

I'd have expected Kirchen to say something along the lines as to how a cheat had robbed him of his big moment of glory, crossing the line savouring the moment, his podium celebration and how more must be done to ensure cheats are driven out of the sport.

Would you honestly expect that? Seriously?

I don't believe doing things like that is generally in human nature.

LangerDan

Question - On a TdF stage, is the second placed rider dope tested, assuming he doesn't fall under the categories of classification leader or one of the days random tests?

iainf72

LangerDan wrote:

Question - On a TdF stage, is the second placed rider dope tested, assuming he doesn't fall under the categories of classification leader or one of the days random tests?

No.

emadden

Vino's BH that he used to win the Vuelta is for sale on Ebay.. damn I loved that customised Record groupset... look at the ergo levers

http://cgi.ebay.com/Team-Astana-Vinokur ... dZViewItem

blazing_saddles

What take do folks have regarding Vino's return to Astana in August. Is Bruyneel going to be able to keep the Kazak govenment's boy out of the squad, as he has said, or will financial pressure tell?
Who owns the racing licence they are currently using? JB, or the railway.......or Vino! :shock:
Since JB had one and old Astana had one, so I have no idea.

iainf72

Blazing Saddles wrote:

What take do folks have regarding Vino's return to Astana in August. Is Bruyneel going to be able to keep the Kazak govenment's boy out of the squad, as he has said, or will financial pressure tell?
Who owns the racing licence they are currently using? JB, or the railway.......or Vino! :shock:
Since JB had one and old Astana had one, so I have no idea.

Vino says he's only riding for his own benefit and isn't planning on returning. And as he's not in the testing pool he can't comeback so it's almost looks like it's a non story.

micron

And of course he couldn't possibly be bluffing

iainf72

micron wrote:

And of course he couldn't possibly be bluffing

Regardless, he couldn't get a license in time for the Olympics. That's really outside of his control.

Arkibal

Vino is in France, doing some hard partying ... Highly unlikely he'll race ever agian.

blazing_saddles

The only thing I've found out is, Astana hold the licence, so it's not JB's old Disco one.

Interesting point about the testing pool, Iain.

However, there seems nothing to stop him riding at the Olympics, if the Kazak OC give him the nod, which they already seem to have done.

bigdawg

so with his extra time bonus for winning a stage does that mean evans won last year?? :?

timoid.

No time bonus on a TT