Di Luca judgement today

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited April 2008 in Pro race
Place yer bets folks!
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  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    As guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo.

    (Actually I don't know, I just wanted to quote Blackadder)
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  • ContrelaMontre
    ContrelaMontre Posts: 3,027
    Irrespective of what the outcome is I expect a quote from DDL saying he is "tranquillo".
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  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    :D
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  • GroupOfOne MkII
    GroupOfOne MkII Posts: 1,289
    Some sort of convuluted back dated punishment which ensures he misses the rest of the spring but is on the start line in Palermo come May.

    Or alternatively they won't be able to reach a judgement and will postpone the decision/announcement until shortly after the Giro arrives in Milan.

    Oh and this is relating to the child like hormone levels now isn't it, rather than Oil for Drugs?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    GroupOfOne MkII wrote:

    Oh and this is relating to the child like hormone levels now isn't it, rather than Oil for Drugs?

    Sort of. It's for (allegedly) using a banned method (transfusion) He's done his Oil for Drugs time.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    No idea. Just glad we'll finally know.

    What about Ricco/Piepoli. Didn't they have funny hormone levels too?
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Timoid. wrote:
    No idea. Just glad we'll finally know.

    What about Ricco/Piepoli. Didn't they have funny hormone levels too?

    Yes, but they tested Di Luca later that same evening and his hormone levels has mysteriously recovered. Which indicates a transfusion of some sort took place and that's not legal in Italy.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • GroupOfOne MkII
    GroupOfOne MkII Posts: 1,289
    On a (sort of) related note, I see Serhiy Honchar is down to start the Scheldprijs today. Never heard an annoucement about him joining a new team, so didn't realise he'd carried on racing this season after being dropped last year.
  • squired
    squired Posts: 1,153
    It will be a shame if Di Luca is banned, as it will be yet another Grand Tour winner added to the ever expanding list. Presumably the race might then be awarded to the runner up (young AS)?

    I don't know what to think about his argument about the reasons behind the low levels. If these sorts of tests are happening regularly one would expect such results to also be regular. If not, then does he have a leg to stand on? There is so much drug testing data available to the authorities now that they must have a pretty good idea of who is on what, even if the information they have isn't enough to result in a ban. For example, riders who show an increasing haematocrit during a grand tour are presumably doing something dodgy, even if they test negative.
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    GroupOfOne MkII wrote:
    On a (sort of) related note, I see Serhiy Honchar is down to start the Scheldprijs today. Never heard an annoucement about him joining a new team, so didn't realise he'd carried on racing this season after being dropped last year.

    His new squad (Preti Mangimi) looks like it might become an Italian version of Rock racing. He'll have Salvatore "I don't know, officer. Perhaps its talc for dusting my inner tubes?" Commesso as a team mate and Alberto Elli as a DS
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • GroupOfOne MkII
    GroupOfOne MkII Posts: 1,289
    Haha I saw Commesso down on the squad list but didn't notice Elli as DS. Presumably he'll be giving the younger riders the benefit of his experience. Am sure there was another name on the team sheet that rang bells as being doubtful too.
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    GroupOfOne MkII wrote:
    Haha I saw Commesso down on the squad list but didn't notice Elli as DS. Presumably he'll be giving the younger riders the benefit of his experience. Am sure there was another name on the team sheet that rang bells as being doubtful too.


    Fabio Sacchi? In his Saeco days he suspended when Italian police raided his house and found gonadotropin... which he claimed was for his wife to help her get pregnant.

    Or maybe Marco Zanotti? He was involved in that case against Franco Ballerini when they found a list of names from a pharmacy in Italy supplying banned substances.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    Di Luca cleared today

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Dan ... 52009.html
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Thats two "Killers" acquitted this week.
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • GroupOfOne MkII
    GroupOfOne MkII Posts: 1,289
    Yeah it was Sacchi & Zanotti that rang alarm bells. Probably just from looking at the teams they've been in and as a result the team mates and DS' they'd have had!

    Hmm so it sounds a bit like Di Luca was acquitted because there wasn't enough evidence to conclusively prove he'd done something dodgy between the tests.
  • Salsiccia
    Salsiccia Posts: 405
    GroupOfOne MkII wrote:
    Hmm so it sounds a bit like Di Luca was acquitted because there wasn't enough evidence to conclusively prove he'd done something dodgy between the tests.

    So, as there isn't enough evidence, maybe he didn't actually do anything wrong on this occasion?
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  • drenkrom
    drenkrom Posts: 1,062
    Oh yeah, hormone levels just fly around on their own in a few hours. Of course.

    More and more, governing bodies look at the physiological effects rather than traces of the offending substance, but most of those bodies have not revised their rules to facilitate such a process. So even though the tests say there was something done in those few hours, as long as you don't have a test that says what was done exactly, you're going nowhere. The same could apply for suspicious patterns in the "biological passport" program, though that has not been put to a practical test yet. I don't get how the prosecutors thought they could make this stick. Maybe the point was to put the facts out in the open no matter what.
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    GroupOfOne MkII wrote:

    Hmm so it sounds a bit like Di Luca was acquitted because there wasn't enough evidence to conclusively prove he'd done something dodgy between the tests.

    That's pretty much what happens in all legal proceedings. No?
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • GroupOfOne MkII
    GroupOfOne MkII Posts: 1,289
    True :oops:
    After a further debate on Wednesday morning and two and half hour to study the case, the judge announced a sentence of not guilty because “a sufficient level of probably guilt as required by article 3.1 of the WADA anti-doping code had not been reached.”

    Was that section in the article that led to what I put. Then again as that sentence doesn't even seem to be in English I should have probably ignored it.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    drenkrom wrote:
    The same could apply for suspicious patterns in the "biological passport" program, though that has not been put to a practical test yet. I don't get how the prosecutors thought they could make this stick. Maybe the point was to put the facts out in the open no matter what.

    The what? :P

    Oh, that thing WADA are testing with some other sport that isn't cycling?
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  • donrhummy
    donrhummy Posts: 2,329
    I think Floyd got screwed. He needs some CONI love. ;)

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