centaur carbon vs sram rival
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could someone elucidate on the Campag freehub reliability issue(s) mentioned earlier in this thread?
After about a year of research (mostly trolling through this, and other, forums) I am buying a new bike and this will have Fulcrum 0s. I understand the hubs on these are Campag in a different colour - hence the concern. Also going for Record UT - are the bearings as poorly sealed as "chatter" indicates?0 -
i did buy and use the special tool - like I say, it's about a fiver from wiggle so I thought I might as well
but there was a discussion as I was going through the build and people have adapted the long end of allen keys etc - there were a few people who had gone without it and done ok installing the crankset.
i still think the UT chainsets are easier to install than even the hollowtechII equivalent and I have experience of both.0 -
I would buy Veloce and pocket the difference. Veloce is nice, and looks cool. And that way you don't have to pay for a relabelled Truvativ crankset.
I've not heard of a well known Campagnolo freehub problem. There is a design issue, which is that the freehub body is slightly longer, so the rear wheel has to be built with slightly more dish. That and the bearings are not as widely spaced apart as Shimano hubs. Neither of these things should be a deal breaker unless you plan on expedition touring. Also, since Shimanos freehub design is patented, everyone else suffers these problems too.0 -
That would probably be me talking about makiing my own - it's a bit deceptive to say you can get away without needing one though. I'd suggest that anybody who installs without using any sort of extension in order to use a torque wrench are likely not to have used enough torque.gkerr4 wrote:but there was a discussion as I was going through the build and people have adapted the long end of allen keys etc - there were a few people who had gone without it and done ok installing the crankset.
Having said that it is only a fiver for the proper tool, so should hardly be a deciding point between one or the other.0 -
redddraggon wrote:leonlikestrees wrote:Force was good enough for Saunier Duval, so it's good enough for me!
Nah, they had to ride it. Apparently Millar hated it.
didn't the fact that there was no trim on the front derailleur wind up all the pro's who used sram last year? something that was addressed when Red came out.0 -
When CW tested the more expensive SRAM offering against Chorus last year it was a one horse race. Not sure I would really see a carbon crankset or mech bodies as an advantage , though, and as a personal choice would probably go for Veloce with Chorus levers and Centaur alloy chainset on the basis of performance. durability and price.0
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Timoid. wrote:Its not all about the gears. Centaur brakes would stop a train. How good are Rival's?
Amazing. The brakes are probably the best bit in my opinion. More powerful, and better modulation than my old 9spd vintage Ultegra, or the 8spd vintage Dura-Ace. I've not tried 10spd vintage shimano, or any campag since single pivot Athena, so I can't compare, however they are certainly 'good enough'.thenumber8 wrote:redddraggon wrote:leonlikestrees wrote:Force was good enough for Saunier Duval, so it's good enough for me!
Nah, they had to ride it. Apparently Millar hated it.
didn't the fact that there was no trim on the front derailleur wind up all the pro's who used sram last year? something that was addressed when Red came out.
I've never got that. There seems to be trim on mine. A little anyway, and enough to stop it rubbing. It's probably a bit fussier in the set up than Shimano though.
By the way, I'm not trying to get into a SRAM v. Campag p*ssing match here (as one of the few people with SRAM fitted!), just trying to honestly describe it from my experience. There seems to be a few on here who'ce made up their mind without trying it.0 -
redddraggon wrote:mr-ed wrote:Rival has all the same mechanical parts as Force just isn't as light. The parts do look a bit cheap but it works really well. The double tap is easy to get used too, really easy. Its not even that heavy almost lighter than Dura Ace for less money. I'd try it out first but if you can get over the fact its not got carbon on it then I'd say its better centaur.
I'm afraid that the Argument that Rival is very similar to Force makes it better than Centaur, is a poor one.
After all Centaur is very close to Chorus, which is very close to Record. Chorus is better than Force, after all - so what does that tell you?
Think you've possibly missed the point here. Rival and Force have exactly the same build quality; pivots, bearings, bushes, etc, so assuming (a big assumption admitedly), that Force is built to a similair level of quality as DA or Record, Rival should last as long and work as nicely as a top end groupset. I don't know how much Centaur shares with Record, but there's a world of difference between Ultegra and Dura-Ace, and it really shows a couple of years down the line. The extra money in Force goes into lots of fancy carbon and Ti to get teh weight down, but Rival is nearly as light as DA anyway, so again, good enough for me. Of course, only time will tell as to the longevity of these components..0 -
leonlikestrees wrote:there's a world of difference between Ultegra and Dura-Ace, and it really shows a couple of years down the line.
Having used both extensively, I don't agree. There's little to choose between them save a few grams, which to a 15 stone rider like me doesn't matter. Both have been equally durable here.0 -
robbarker wrote:leonlikestrees wrote:there's a world of difference between Ultegra and Dura-Ace, and it really shows a couple of years down the line.
Having used both extensively, I don't agree. There's little to choose between them save a few grams, which to a 15 stone rider like me doesn't matter. Both have been equally durable here.
Well, let's agree to disagree then. In my experience Ultegra STI's and mechs have gone floppy pretty quickly, and chainrings have worn out quicker. I'm still running the Dura-Ace kit I bought in 1999 on my cross bike. Despite numerous crashes the STI's still work perfectly. I've been through 2 sets of Ultegra in the same time.
Similair story on the MTB groupsets. The XTR stuff lasts me way longer than XT.0
