Essay by Alexi Grewal

iainf72

http://www.velonews.com/article/74053/a ... exi-grewal

Good read!

dave_1

very interesting-he was not only not only Olympic gold medlaist in the RR but very much to the fore in the TDF in the pyrenees in 86...visble in 7-11 colours...so he has a point.

skavanagh.bikeradar

Blimey.

method

Dave_1 wrote:

very interesting-he was not only not only Olympic gold medlaist in the RR but very much to the fore in the TDF in the pyrenees in 86...visble in 7-11 colours...so he has a point.

"All of us who were there, and who can speak up, should do so. "

Doesn't really tie in with your "keep quiet, don't put riders out of a job" line though does it Dave.

dave_1

method wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

very interesting-he was not only not only Olympic gold medlaist in the RR but very much to the fore in the TDF in the pyrenees in 86...visble in 7-11 colours...so he has a point.

"All of us who were there, and who can speak up, should do so. "

Doesn't really tie in with your "keep quiet, don't put riders out of a job" line though does it Dave.

he is not implicating whole teams and is quite general-unlike the sinketwiz and jacksche lousy plea bargains. Is your job or potential future in professional cycling on the line?

afx237vi

Our syringes came gift wrapped in the morning and evening during stage races, and in the 2007 Tour de France one of my former roommates sat behind the wheel of a team car pulling feathers out of his hair.

I'm being a bit dense here, but who is he referring to there?

iainf72

afx237vi wrote:

Our syringes came gift wrapped in the morning and evening during stage races, and in the 2007 Tour de France one of my former roommates sat behind the wheel of a team car pulling feathers out of his hair.

I'm being a bit dense here, but who is he referring to there?

Breukink

dave_1

iainf72 wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

Our syringes came gift wrapped in the morning and evening during stage races, and in the 2007 Tour de France one of my former roommates sat behind the wheel of a team car pulling feathers out of his hair.

I'm being a bit dense here, but who is he referring to there?

Breukink

Grewal was in 7-11 in 86, Breukink at Sakal 86 or Pansonic...not on same team I think

iainf72

Dave_1 wrote:

Grewal was in 7-11 in 86, Breukink at Sakal 86 or Pansonic...not on same team I think

I took it he meant a roommate at some point - If they were both on Panasonic at the same time EB is the obvious choice?

dave_1

iainf72 wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

Grewal was in 7-11 in 86, Breukink at Sakal 86 or Pansonic...not on same team I think

I took it he meant a roommate at some point - If they were both on Panasonic at the same time EB is the obvious choice?

Grewals was Panasonic 85-86, Breukink was Skala 85 and Panasonic 86-89, so you are right

Kléber

Will Grewal hand the medal to Steve Bauer now?

dave_1

Kléber wrote:

Will Grewal hand the medal to Steve Bauer now?

Bauer never asked for the cobblestone off Plankaert when he admited that he used EPOin the early 90s...

Salsiccia

iainf72 wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

Our syringes came gift wrapped in the morning and evening during stage races, and in the 2007 Tour de France one of my former roommates sat behind the wheel of a team car pulling feathers out of his hair.

I'm being a bit dense here, but who is he referring to there?

Breukink

I'm sure I'm being a bit dull, but is pulling feathers out of his hair a euphamism for something? What is he talking about?

LangerDan

Salsiccia wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

Our syringes came gift wrapped in the morning and evening during stage races, and in the 2007 Tour de France one of my former roommates sat behind the wheel of a team car pulling feathers out of his hair.

I'm being a bit dense here, but who is he referring to there?

Breukink

I'm sure I'm being a bit dull, but is pulling feathers out of his hair a euphamism for something? What is he talking about?

I guess that they are chicken feathers - a reference to Rasmussen. Or maybe Alexi didn't give up the drugs when he gave up cycling.

iainf72

LangerDan wrote:

I guess that they are chicken feathers - a reference to Rasmussen. Or maybe Alexi didn't give up the drugs when he gave up cycling.

Hasn't he found god and lost his teeth or something?

I also figured it was a Rasmussen reference.

eh

To be fair most of the US 1984 olympic team has been implemented for drugs years ago, so he needs to add little there, less is know about the trade teams. Although I'd like to know his thoughts on Chris Carmichael.

drenkrom

One of the men most f@cked up from his time in cycling and what it implied emptying his heart is not enough for you?

LangerDan

iainf72 wrote:

LangerDan wrote:

I guess that they are chicken feathers - a reference to Rasmussen. Or maybe Alexi didn't give up the drugs when he gave up cycling.

Hasn't he found god and lost his teeth or something?

I also figured it was a Rasmussen reference.

http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=10293

Theres a picture of him towards the end of the article. I can't see his teeth but does appear to have a rolled-up blanket under his arm.

Climber_Andy

Erm... I'm pretty sure it's actually Theo de Rooy - 1985 Panasonic member, Rabobank manager who lost his job over the whole Rasmussen thing???

Breukink was never on the same team at the same time as Grewal - 1986 was 7-Eleven for him, he'd moved on from Panasonic.

OffTheBackAdam

Dave_1 wrote:

he is not implicating whole teams and is quite general

He's said the Peter Post, the most famous Team Manager from the 70's/80's (TI Raleigh/Panasonic) told his team to "Listen to the Doctor" and "Submit to the Preparation". How much more obvious can it be?
Rabobank is essentially a continuation of that ligniage and Theo de Roo was a prominant member of T I Raleigh.

method

Dave_1 wrote:

method wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

very interesting-he was not only not only Olympic gold medlaist in the RR but very much to the fore in the TDF in the pyrenees in 86...visble in 7-11 colours...so he has a point.

"All of us who were there, and who can speak up, should do so. "

Doesn't really tie in with your "keep quiet, don't put riders out of a job" line though does it Dave.

he is not implicating whole teams and is quite general-unlike the sinketwiz and jacksche lousy plea bargains. Is your job or potential future in professional cycling on the line?

No but my job is on the line. I don't think he's being quite general either.

dave_1

OffTheBackAdam wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

he is not implicating whole teams and is quite general

He's said the Peter Post, the most famous Team Manager from the 70's/80's (TI Raleigh/Panasonic) told his team to "Listen to the Doctor" and "Submit to the Preparation". How much more obvious can it be?
Rabobank is essentially a continuation of that ligniage and Theo de Roo was a prominant member of T I Raleigh.

20 years ago and none of the riders and support staff from then other than 2 or 3 are runnign these teams-very little connection.

dave_1

method wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

method wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

very interesting-he was not only not only Olympic gold medlaist in the RR but very much to the fore in the TDF in the pyrenees in 86...visble in 7-11 colours...so he has a point.

"All of us who were there, and who can speak up, should do so. "

Doesn't really tie in with your "keep quiet, don't put riders out of a job" line though does it Dave.

he is not implicating whole teams and is quite general-unlike the sinketwiz and jacksche lousy plea bargains. Is your job or potential future in professional cycling on the line?

No but my job is on the line. I don't think he's being quite general either.

Very general--the team doesn't exist anymore. I'll make no apologies for taking the side of the clean amatuer or young pro who loses his job or can't get a new one in a year or two cause of cheats and dopers who confess to bring down teams to shorten their own sentence-losing sponsors.

iainf72

In the print edition of the Grewal thing, he says everyone he knew stepped over the line except Steve Bauer.

Lemond?

Hampsten?

Very interesting.

Where can I get Velonews in London town? I think i got it at Borders a while ago but havent seen it there in ages.

drenkrom

Hurray for Steve!

hey, it's not often Canadian road cycling fans get to be patriotic.

Yeah Steve!