Doping
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tonywar wrote:Just out of interest. What does doping actually mean? Is there a list of banned substances somewhere? I would be interested to view it. I get the impression that there is an extensive list somewhere. But is there a definition?
Even big Jan struggles to answer that one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VQy7PxX ... re=related0 -
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Alcohol and Beta-blockers banned for Boules?
And Beta-blockers banned in Bridge?
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DaveyL wrote:Noodley wrote:Alcohol and Beta-blockers banned for Boules?
And Beta-blockers banned in Bridge?
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I think the Scottish team was getting tanked up on Buckfast and chucking the boules at their rivals...
(And yes, I am Scottish!)
I thought alcohol was required for boules. I can't remember ever playing boules without a beer in my hand - perhaps I should be banned for life
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It's a pretty extensive list. A strong cup of coffee would probably have more effect than some of the drugs mentioned. I just wonder if more and more pharmacological hairs are being split. Is there research to support that some of these drugs have any effect on performance at all?0
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There are substances on the 'banned' list that are fairly innocuous - but because they can be used to mask more serious substances, they are banned too. Likewise there are plenty of over-the-counter products that are on the prohibited list too - common ones include pseudo-ephidrine which is in a lot of 'non-drousy' cold medicines. A well known example is Alain Baxter who was stripped of his Bronze medal at the Winter Olympics because he used a Vicks Inhaler - the US version has an ingredient on the list! You can get an exemption from your doctor, called a Theraputic Use Exemption or TUE - apparently there's quite a significant number of professional endurance athletes who suffer from asthma and so require inhalers!Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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Some drugs might not work much but it can also be a question of dosage and use. In the past, riders would pretend they had a saddle sore and get a TUE (basically a doctor's note) allowing them to use cortisone cream on the groin. They'd get the prescription, buy the cream and then bin it, before going and get a lot of big cortisone injections, which helps reduce muscle fatigue. So when they tested positive for cortisone, they'd just show the note and say it was the anti-inflammatory cream.0
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1 question
When was last positive test in cycling?
And the last person who die suddenly riding a bike (pro)?
I think was Galetti in Subida a Naranco 2005, however last year died 8 footballplayers (2 this year)
Blood test in another sports now!. (and without warn) Then maybe many susprises will happen
I think cycling is dirty, but it´s the most controled sport as wellIf you like Flandes, Roubaix or Eroica, you would like GP Canal de Castilla, www.gpcanaldecastilla.com0 -
tonywar wrote:A strong cup of coffee would probably have more effect than some of the drugs mentioned.
That's why there is an upper acceptable limit to caffeine levels in the body. Mind you, you'd have to be chugging espressos while riding for the little red light to turn on during post-race testing.
It's also worth noting that you can't just get a TUE for any substance. I remember a case of a rider, whose name eludes me, who suffered from narcolepsy. The prescribed product was quite a strong stimulant and the UCI stepped in and refused the TUE, as it would have provided too big a performance benefit, as opposed to, say, Salbutamol.0 -
drenkrom wrote:
That's why there is an upper acceptable limit to caffeine levels in the body. Mind you, you'd have to be chugging espressos while riding for the little red light to turn on during post-race testing.
You'd actually need to drink coffee laced with EPO or something to turn the red light on. Caffeine is not on the banned list anymore.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Wow I had never seen that before.phil s wrote:0 -
drenkrom wrote:tonywar wrote:A strong cup of coffee would probably have more effect than some of the drugs mentioned.
That's why there is an upper acceptable limit to caffeine levels in the body. Mind you, you'd have to be chugging espressos while riding for the little red light to turn on during post-race testing.
It's also worth noting that you can't just get a TUE for any substance. I remember a case of a rider, whose name eludes me, who suffered from narcolepsy. The prescribed product was quite a strong stimulant and the UCI stepped in and refused the TUE, as it would have provided too big a performance benefit, as opposed to, say, Salbutamol.
Franck Bouyer:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/22/sports/bike.php
There was also the time that Jonathan Vaughters got stung by a bee above his eye in the TDF. The UCI wouldn't allow him to use a cream with cortisone in it, so his eye swelled up until he couldn't open it and he had to abandon.
Cases like that show that sometimes anti-doping rules go too far. See also: Kevin Van Impe. For the system to have credibility, it also needs flexibility, no?0 -
iainf72 wrote:You'd actually need to drink coffee laced with EPO or something to turn the red light on. Caffeine is not on the banned list anymore.
Right you are. I hadn't looked at the list in a while. My coaches used to be so paranoid about us chain-sipping espressos in the morning before races. I'm glad to know that stupid problem is gone. Quite a few left, though.0 -
Is it proven that some of these drugs actually enhance performance? Riders take drugs that they think will improve performance. Do drugs that enhance muscle growth have a significant effect overall? My understanding that too much muscle is not an advantage. It's difficult and I'm no expert, but how much is a placebo effect? The rider believes the drug helps, when really it makes no difference physically, only pyschologically. With EPO don't test for the drug, test for it's effect. If your haemoglobin is outside of normal limits, you don't ride, until it is. It just seems to a perpetual witch hunt when it may not need to be.0
