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Everybody, let's go there and 'recommend' some sensible pro-cycling comments to
move them 'higher' in the discussion....
and: THERE IS NO "ROAD TAX" IN THE UK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:0 -
HAhaha, and THIS is the comment with most recommendations?
"they (cyclists) should pay road tax and have insurance to pay for the accidents they cause. Cyclists cause loads of accidents a year but still moan because they've come off the worst."0 -
Yeah well,its how the general feel about cyclists I am afraid.Mainly because there are some seriously arrogant dickheads riding bikes who's line is that all cyclists are utterly wondrous and can never be in the wrong no matter how badly they behave.
I presume that the people who moan about the state of cycle paths and say they should be repaved expect the magic pixies to do it for free.0 -
Why shouldn't we be required to have 3rd party insurance?
The pricing of the policies would give a good indication of the risk that we pose - I think my CTC membership is £35 a year which includes 3rd party insurance. Compare that to what a car driver pays, and we have irrefutable, market lead evidence as to the risk that cyclists represent.0 -
While i agree that we pay for the roads via council tax so we should not have to pay for Road Tax (or whatever you want to call it), i do feel that we should all get 3rd party cover.
Is £35 a year for CTC membership (or other similar policies) that much of a hardship to shell out for peace of mind?
Although check the excess policies of your 3rd party cover. Many have between £150 to £500 excess, which IMO is useless as most claims would probably be for small claims, i.e scratched paint work,broken side mirrors and small dents.0 -
Most household insurance policies would cover...as third party liability<b><i>He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.</b></i>
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Hi,
I got insurance for my mountain bike through Pavilion Insurance - they do specialist bike insurance amongst other things and I was able to tack on public liability to the theft/accident protection for very little extra. It was primarily to cover me if I hit another cyclist or walker on a trail. I haven't started commuting by bike yet, but I hope to soon. Thankfully I won't be doing it in London!
As for the BBC forums, I think pretty much any discussion on any popular topic ends up much the same. I think the BBC pick the topics and skew the questions, as well as the fact they are carrying out the moderation to wind people up and make more people post/view. Then they can show their bosses how popular the 'interactive' element of the website is. I just wouldn't even bother with them if I were you. Not that I'm cynical or anything
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Choose insurance carefully - to insure my bikes for theft, vandalism and damage at home and whilst touring was going to cost me some £2800 per year...
Through the household insurance it is less than £300 for similar cover!<b><i>He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.</b></i>
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Well my comments got passed by the moderators and posted at 12:29 & 12:49
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woodford2barbican wrote:Why shouldn't we be required to have 3rd party insurance?
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I can really see that getting more people out of cars and on a bike.
Are you going to make a kid riding to school pay?
Sorry mate you can't ride that thing on the road till you get insurance. Riding on the pavement is illegal too, tell you what go round your back garden and get a feel for the wonders of cycling !0 -
Most cyclist are covered by their household insurance - just check and make sure.
It is one of those urban myths like "road tax"!<b><i>He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.</b></i>
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What annoys about the red light jumping thing is that if motorists could do it they would.
I see motorists going through reds all the time. the lights will change but one or two cars will still go through even if they are behind the line when the lights go red.
There is also one spot where they use a shop car park as a way to cut a corner and skip a set of traffic lights.0 -
all that feedback on the beeb site shows is the lack of understanding of road law and issues surrounding it by drivers0
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90 odd pages of junk comments by people who really need to get out more.0
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andrewc3142 wrote:90 odd pages of junk comments by people who really need to get out more.
Judging by most of their comments I would have thought that's the last thing they should do!0 -
andrewc3142 wrote:90 odd pages of junk comments by people who really need to get out more.
Preferably by bike
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~99% of drivers break the highway code rules. Everyday. Virtually nobody drives 30mph in 30mph zones.0
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>>Woohoo!! I'm in 1% of drivers!!
Never, ever, EVER???
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>>yep ,<smug emoticon>
>>Not always been that way.
I bet if I could follow you for a week I would catch you doing like 34mph in a 30mph zone somewhere? (i.e. over 10% of the speed limit).
Otherwise my hats off to you Sir. I do occasionally "slip" to 34-35mph when I feel under pressure from other drivers, but generally I am very good at keeping to the speed limit.0 -
cntl wrote:>>yep ,<smug emoticon>
>>Not always been that way.
I bet if I could follow you for a week I would catch you doing like 34mph in a 30mph zone somewhere? (i.e. over 10% of the speed limit).
Otherwise my hats off to you Sir. I do occasionally "slip" to 34-35mph when I feel under pressure from other drivers, but generally I am very good at keeping to the speed limit.
Keep your hat raised Sir.
Got an SP30(?) 18 months ago, 36 in a 30, 10:30 at night. Started cycle commuting 12 months ago.
Last 6 months my driving style is much more chilled - 30s a limit, not a target!
Can't say it doesn't p1ss some drivers off!
Strange to go down some roads faster by bike than car...0 -
The strangest thing of all is realising that putting your foot down in the car makes almost no difference at all!0
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weedy1 wrote:woodford2barbican wrote:Why shouldn't we be required to have 3rd party insurance?
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I can really see that getting more people out of cars and on a bike.
Are you going to make a kid riding to school pay?
Sorry mate you can't ride that thing on the road till you get insurance. Riding on the pavement is illegal too, tell you what go round your back garden and get a feel for the wonders of cycling !
I don't see why the parent's of a child riding to school should not pay, or have them covered under the household insurance.
This is not about encouraging cycling - but about accepting responsibility for the possible outcomes of your actions.
Moreover, it is not as if requring a motorist to pay various taxes and insurance has discouraged car use, why should it discourage bike use?
If you want to encourage bike use, then they should be exempt from VAT because of the various health and environmental benefits they provide. But any road user can cause an accident, thus there should be some kind of reflection of that fact.0 -
woodford2barbican wrote:But any road user can cause an accident, thus there should be some kind of reflection of that fact.
So should peds have to have insurance before they step out of the front door? My mothers car sufferred damage when a comp school kid ran out between cars and bounced onto her bonnet. (she was doing 20-25mph)
Insurance isn't a prerequisite to being held liable for damage....0 -
NWLondoner wrote:While i agree that we pay for the roads via council tax so we should not have to pay for Road Tax (or whatever you want to call it), i do feel that we should all get 3rd party cover.
Is £35 a year for CTC membership (or other similar policies) that much of a hardship to shell out for peace of mind?
Although check the excess policies of your 3rd party cover. Many have between £150 to £500 excess, which IMO is useless as most claims would probably be for small claims, i.e scratched paint work,broken side mirrors and small dents.
mmm, I've just had a small dent rolled out and a rear bumper replaced (modern bumpers cannot be repainted with any quailty) on our Focus (that's a car for you bike only people ) when a chav just nudged me from behind, damage that a bike could easily do at 15mph or so - Cost Over £1100! 
There are no cheap repairs with today's materials and paints.
That's why I've got CTC cover too.
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Typical BBC sensationalism. All the questions on there are written for maximum rant potential.
Nonetheless, these opinions don't come from nowhere. It's no suprise that some drivers hate us when you look at some people's riding style. It's no different to cyclists moaning about how ALL drivers speed whilst using their mobile phones. Some do, but most don't.0 -
It's now closed, BTW
And Cameron should know better.
The law's the law...
It's just a hill. Get over it.0
