CSC out from end of 08
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It's better in the English version
http://www.team-csc.com/ny_news.asp?n_id=1754&lang=uk
Oh well, have to get out and buy some CSC jerseys, put in a drawer for 5 years and then wear for cool retro chic.0 -
"CSC indicated the decision reflects a shift in priorities as the company makes new investments to implement a strategic long-term growth plan."
The art of writing a sentence and saying nothing at all.0 -
drenkrom wrote:"CSC indicated the decision reflects a shift in priorities as the company makes new investments to implement a strategic long-term growth plan."
The art of writing a sentence and saying nothing at all.
Why hasn't anyone done a merry dance yet like when Disco decided to bail out? I'm disappointed.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:drenkrom wrote:"CSC indicated the decision reflects a shift in priorities as the company makes new investments to implement a strategic long-term growth plan."
The art of writing a sentence and saying nothing at all.
Why hasn't anyone done a merry dance yet like when Disco decided to bail out? I'm disappointed.
CSC will not want to admit they've been scared out of the sport by doping stories...but it is hard to think it has not been an issue for them after Riis being forced into that useless confession he made0 -
Dave_1 wrote:iainf72 wrote:drenkrom wrote:"CSC indicated the decision reflects a shift in priorities as the company makes new investments to implement a strategic long-term growth plan."
The art of writing a sentence and saying nothing at all.
Why hasn't anyone done a merry dance yet like when Disco decided to bail out? I'm disappointed.
CSC will not want to admit they've been scared out of the sport by doping stories...but it is hard to think it has not been an issue for them after Riis being forced into that useless confession he made
CSC has been in the sport for a decade now and has obtained what publicity its going to get. Its a natural time for it to leave. The doping stories haven't helped, but I don't think its the reason CSC is going. Its a natural separation point.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
iainf72 wrote:drenkrom wrote:"CSC indicated the decision reflects a shift in priorities as the company makes new investments to implement a strategic long-term growth plan."
The art of writing a sentence and saying nothing at all.
Why hasn't anyone done a merry dance yet like when Disco decided to bail out? I'm disappointed.
Isn't this a bit difference to the hoo-haa when Disco quit as they disbanded completely. Riis will get a new sponsor I expect at this stage.
Also we are talking about two different types of teams - Disco evoked strong reactions due to their massive success at one race - because a) they were so successful and b) they only 'competed' at that race.
CSC haven't won the Tour so don't appear as big (to the uninitiated) and they don't piss true fans off because they are competitive all year round.
Rule No.10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster0 -
Will they quietly shelve the Damsgaard program now so they can compete on a level playing field to get the results they'll need to attract a new sponsor? :twisted:0
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Timoid. wrote:CSC has been in the sport for a decade now and has obtained what publicity its going to get. Its a natural time for it to leave. The doping stories haven't helped, but I don't think its the reason CSC is going. Its a natural separation point.
I would go with that, there is only so long you can go on, unless like Lotto you have a strong second sponsor all the time to keep the name fresh.0 -
CSC are most likely dropping sponsorship because of the financial performance of the company recently. Put it this way, it doesn't look good when you are cutting 1000's of jobs but also paying out millions in sponsorship to a Pro Cycling team.
http://finance.google.com/finance?client=ig&q=CSC
They are to be commended though having financed Bjarne Riis' team for so many years and stuck with them even in the darkest hours of the Tour 2006 and Riis drug confession.
Finally, I'd just like to commend the folks at Cervélo who had enough foresight to have the CSC decals on my Cervélo R3-SL as stickers on top of the clear coat rather than as part of the paint work. They easily peel off leaving the bike 'team agnostic'.0 -
ContrelaMontre wrote:Also we are talking about two different types of teams - Disco evoked strong reactions due to their massive success at one race - because a) they were so successful and b) they only 'competed' at that race.
Did Disco not win All the Grand Tours?0 -
andy_wrx wrote:It's better in the English version
http://www.team-csc.com/ny_news.asp?n_id=1754&lang=uk
Oh well, have to get out and buy some CSC jerseys, put in a drawer for 5 years and then wear for cool retro chic.
I think that it was actually better in the Danish version
Whatever the reason, it doesn't look or feel good when the last big multinational corporate sponsor withdraws... This season isn't looking so good thus far with controversy over the grand tours, UCI & ASO fighting like weans & sponsors running for cover. :roll:
Something's got to give soon, or we'll be arguing about whether Team Dave's Plumbing is going to win the support-car-free TdF & whether the fact that their cafe budget is so large means that they are using caffeine as a PED...0 -
redddraggon wrote:ContrelaMontre wrote:Also we are talking about two different types of teams - Disco evoked strong reactions due to their massive success at one race - because a) they were so successful and b) they only 'competed' at that race.
Did Disco not win All the Grand Tours?
Did Heras win the Vuelta once for USPS/DIsco? And Savoldelli the Giro once?
So I guess yes they did - but my point still stands because a lot of people didn't like Disco because of their one-eyed determination to win the Tour and hang everything else - even if it is more perceived than real.
Rule No.10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster0 -
Richrd2205 wrote:
Whatever the reason, it doesn't look or feel good when the last big multinational corporate sponsor withdraws... This season isn't looking so good thus far with controversy over the grand tours, UCI & ASO fighting like weans & sponsors running for cover. :roll:
Well spotted.
What happens when Riis goes cap in hand and someone like Larry Ellison says "can you guarantee the Tour win?"
Or should we expect some interesting news about CSC to leak in the forthcoming days? Had Damsgaard flagged something to the sponsor?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Suspicious!
Assuming this is a normal corporate announcement, I think the team has a good chance of finding a new backer. The bike trade alone must love them, Cervelo has gone from nowhere to being a desirable frame manufacturer and whilst R&D investment is behind their success, so is the right marketing.
This is a team that can guarantee a sponsor plenty of healthy exposure. The more they adhere to Damsgard, the less risk of scandal. So it is possible (not certain) that Riis can look a sponsor in the eye and say "look, I can't guarantee you a win in the Tour but I promise you no scandal and by the way, we've got some of the best young talent on our team". When you think of the money spent by the likes of Milram or Rabobank, who have little to show in return, a sponsor should like what Riis has to offer.0 -
I am under the impression (albeit from a fluff piece on cn.com) that Damsgaard (shouldn't we be calling him Rearguard or Vanguard in an homage to iain's "High Horse"?) cannot give either the sponsor or the team a "heads-up" if someone's tests do come back looking a bit dodgy. The results go firstly to the UCI (or the national federation).
However I am willing to stand corrected if anyone can back an alternative version up with some of those pesky things called "facts".Le Blaireau (1)0 -
Odds on Michael Ball picking up the sponsorship??? lol0
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On second thoughts, if there was any imminent scandal, CSC would go now, not at the end of the season.0
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Kléber wrote:On second thoughts, if there was any imminent scandal, CSC would go now, not at the end of the season.
Welcome to my world.
Why haven't the end of year anti-doping results been made public yet? It's still only the mid-year ones. Will more current CSC riders be linked to Puerto? Jorg's comments can't have helped either.
But then again, CSC are really an American company, the American economy is going south fast (Can Barak save us) and they need to tighten belts.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
It's not a massive surprise though is it?
I remember there have always been rumours and stories about CSC looking to scale back their involvement or looking for a secondary sponsor, ever since they were CSC-Tiscali, ie for quite a few years.
As Iain says, American company coming up to the end of their contract, with their economy heading south, good time to go.
Plus of course a company can only stay involved in sponsorship of any one team/event for so long before they need to go and do something different (unless the sponsorship has come about through a wealthy fan a la Mapei & Giorgio Squinzi).0 -
iainf72 wrote:Richrd2205 wrote:
Whatever the reason, it doesn't look or feel good when the last big multinational corporate sponsor withdraws... This season isn't looking so good thus far with controversy over the grand tours, UCI & ASO fighting like weans & sponsors running for cover. :roll:
Well spotted.
What happens when Riis goes cap in hand and someone like Larry Ellison says "can you guarantee the Tour win?"
Or should we expect some interesting news about CSC to leak in the forthcoming days? Had Damsgaard flagged something to the sponsor?
I can't see that dissociating now would save any damage to the sponsor if a positive is about to come up. The only possible thing that I could think of that would dissuade them would be a possible (FS?) Puerto positive that may or may not be upcoming?
Whatever the reason, I think that we should all be worrying about the big picture just now...0 -
iainf72 wrote:[
What happens when Riis goes cap in hand and someone like Larry Ellison says "can you guarantee the Tour win?"
Sorry, I meant to reply to this above, but I think the answer might be something like, "well, Damsgaard might disappear if we pay him enough, & given that the UCI can't afford the passport scheme, we might be able to guarantee it..."0 -
DaveyL wrote:I am under the impression (albeit from a fluff piece on cn.com) that Damsgaard (shouldn't we be calling him Rearguard or Vanguard in an homage to iain's "High Horse"?) cannot give either the sponsor or the team a "heads-up" if someone's tests do come back looking a bit dodgy. The results go firstly to the UCI (or the national federation).
However I am willing to stand corrected if anyone can back an alternative version up with some of those pesky things called "facts".
I believe that the results of the ongoing profiling are not sufficient to constitute proof of a doping offence so all WADA / UCI could do is target the team / rider for increased or specific testing, as happened with Kashechkin. I think the results do go to the team management (not the rider) and are made available on request to UCI / WADA upon requestiainf72 wrote:Why haven't the end of year anti-doping results been made public yet? It's still only the mid-year ones. Will more current CSC riders be linked to Puerto? Jorg's comments can't have helped either.
In therecent interview with Damsgaard on cyclingnews.com he mentioned that he is compiling the annual report for '07 and thats why the results aren't posted up yet.
BTW, I noticed on the CSC website that one of their bus drivers is a Johnny Schleck from Luxembourg. Did they buy them in bulk or what?'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
More info on Johnny Schleck here;
http://www.riis-cycling.com/ny_forum/to ... IC_ID=7775
Looks like he was a pretty good pro himself.0 -
I like Bjarne despite his many sins, which is why I'm keeping the CSC stickers on my R3.grimpeur wrote:Finally, I'd just like to commend the folks at Cervélo who had enough foresight to have the CSC decals on my Cervélo R3-SL as stickers on top of the clear coat rather than as part of the paint work. They easily peel off leaving the bike 'team agnostic'.
My only worry is that the team will be renamed "Weetabix-Currys presented by 888.com" or something equally downmarket.0 -
I am a big fan of Bjarne Riis. Has more integrity than most. Now if the numbers come up, i might be able to finance his team for a few weeks.Dan0
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flattythehurdler wrote:I am a big fan of Bjarne Riis. Has more integrity than most. Now if the numbers come up, i might be able to finance his team for a few weeks.
heheehehe.
Good one!Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
