Standard article on helmet cams to video bad driving

alan_sherman

A bit of the cyclists side from the standard:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ ... article.do

woodford2barbican

I don't think much of that guy's road positioning in those clips attached to the article, he is riding too close to the gutter and in the first clip should have waited until his way was clear...

Anonymous

I'm not sure of the laws where the vid was shot, but here in the US, riding against traffic is illegal in most every state and city, making a rider liable for ALL damages.

Personally, I wouldn't consider riding against traffic for obvious reasons, and never do. With every one way, there's a one way going the other direction.

graeme_s-2

bikers46 wrote:

I'm not sure of the laws where the vid was shot, but here in the US, riding against traffic is illegal in most every state and city, making a rider liable for ALL damages.

Personally, I wouldn't consider riding against traffic for obvious reasons, and never do. With every one way, there's a one way going the other direction.

There are no videos of him riding the wrong way along a one way road. In the first video he's on the correct side of the road, and the oncoming traffic has moved onto his side of the road to pass parked cars on their side.

It's funny seeing this article today. I was looking at his stuff on YouTube yesterday after one of the cyclists on the F1 forum I run posted a link to it.

jb2008

Had a good one yesterday. Waiting at a red light and the passenger in the car next to me takes the opportunity to clean the car out onto the road, fag packets etc.
I turn to look at him in disgust which he objects to so a minute later when the car overtakes I get some more rubbish thrown at me.
Unfortunately for them they didn't see my headcam.
I've since been in touch with the Council litter warden. £100 fine inbound for littering from a vehicle.

alan_sherman

So the council accepts helmetcam as evidence enough for a fine then? I thougth digital imagery was inadmissable or summik.

nwallace

On Monday while walking down the Nethergate towards the city centre. I was walking against traffic on the pavement. (I.e. the off side pavement) and a cyclist passed me in the offside gutter, jumped the lights, with no positioning lamps and then either proceeded down a dual carriageway on the wrong side or cycled across a pedestrian crossing.

Part of me hoped the lights at the junction changed to allow the bus sitting waiting to cross out and thus hopefully scare or knock some sense into him.
Though as it was the lights phase would have allowed an on coming vehicle into his path.

Anonymous

Graeme_S wrote:

bikers46 wrote:

I'm not sure of the laws where the vid was shot, but here in the US, riding against traffic is illegal in most every state and city, making a rider liable for ALL damages.

Personally, I wouldn't consider riding against traffic for obvious reasons, and never do. With every one way, there's a one way going the other direction.

There are no videos of him riding the wrong way along a one way road. In the first video he's on the correct side of the road, and the oncoming traffic has moved onto his side of the road to pass parked cars on their side.

It's funny seeing this article today. I was looking at his stuff on YouTube yesterday after one of the cyclists on the F1 forum I run posted a link to it.

My mistake. Over here two ways are marked with a yellow center line and one ways are white.

pbjohnson

I thought the Standard piece was good and put the cylists side without too much silly 'taxi driver' style comments.

I must own up to doing the pr for the company that placed the story with the standard and my reason for writing here is to answer the question regarding legality of footage. We spoke to a number of lawyers prior to offering the story and apparently the footage, whil not ideal, is admisable in the same way that cctv footage is.

Cheers,
Paul
http://www.actioncamerasblog.com

BentMikey

Hey Paul,

What's the legal implications of filming all the time in terms of CCTV and duty towards those being filmed?

Clever Pun

good point BM, as people are allowed to request cctv footage of themselves aren't they

richardast

I think that if the filming is overt and in a public place then there are no particular issues.

Complications only arise if filming is covert, intrusive (not in a public place) or is carried out by somebody whose role could be construed as being on behalf of the state.

pbjohnson

Goodness, we didn't really get into that.

I'm afraid our legal questions were limited to 'can the video evidence be used in court' and the answer was yes. The question of 'can you film in the first place' wasn't asked and rather publically goes to show my lack of intellectual and philosophical rigour!

On another point, I am talking to the transport correspondent of the Times who needs to speak to one person who has actually recorded a crach and used it as evidence either in court or in a PI case. If there is anyone here who would be happy to help or knows someone, I'd be hugely grateful (he's already spoken to one person but needs another to show it's not a 'one off')

Cheers,
Paul

spen666

BentMikey wrote:

Hey Paul,

What's the legal implications of filming all the time in terms of CCTV and duty towards those being filmed?

You have no duty towards those being filmed.

You can film away

spen666

Clever Pun wrote:

good point BM, as people are allowed to request cctv footage of themselves aren't they

not from an individual they can't

BentMikey

Cheers Spen! That's a big help. I would have claimed anyway that I'm filming for the purposes of making interesting video footage of my own and other peoples' roadcraft, which is not quite the same as CCTV.

cee

OK...

so these camera seem to be a good idea then.....

Recommend some for about 100 quid.....

pbjohnson

as I did this story for the Standard and do the PR for a company that sells them so the cameras so it would feel vulgar to mention any. Rest assured there are some good ones for £100 but I'll let others mention names.

Cheers,
Paul