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  • Toks
    Toks Posts: 1,143
    Andrew mate, don't worry about all the haters and the knockers. The lot of em can take the middle finger. You crash at more than 30mph and you're supposed to get up crack a few gags and then go on and do a Bruce Forsyth "nice to see you..." routine. I've seen Britsih Elite riders crash and continental pros in neither case as a spectator would you wanna make any wise cracks unless you wanted a mouth full of abuse.
  • don key
    don key Posts: 494
    I never mentioned anything about Tottenham winning, I did say that Beany boy did.

    What reason do I have to believe thats your real name, its no more ridiculous than my own "real name".
    You do however correctly refer to the accident as "my crash", seen as you made the first move and went for a gap I wouldnt touch, he then counters your invasion of his space. What this is all about is your blinkered view of what is an entirely obvious situation, that if you'd not gone there things would be different.

    Your more recent post about pain and its time scale for reaching the active part of the brain is hilarious, unintentionally so but remarkable mostly for that reason alone.

    If you can only bring yourself to laugh as much as I am now doing, at your own statements you will recover a lot quicker, with out the need for any quackery or pagan rituals.

    To recap its not nice to crash but not admitting your part is silly.
  • AndrewBye
    AndrewBye Posts: 35
    Toks I think you are right, probably best to ignore people who are obviously in the business of fishing for a response.

    Spurs winning was mentioned in this "conversation" indirectly in that that is who Chelsea lost to.

    Well thats enough of this thread for me i'm off to ride my bike :D
  • cannonfodder
    cannonfodder Posts: 183
    don key wrote:

    Cheer up, all swell with the world Chesea LOST and the Beany boy WON yesterday with the only crash caused by a broken Condor Leggero seat stay which was blessed and cremated on the spot with an old pair of David Millars underpants, we tried using Roberts but the were to stained to burn at crematorial temperatures.

    How did he manage to break a seat stay?

    I see the Wilier SportBeans guy got relegated to 8th place for his antics the other week...
  • don key
    don key Posts: 494
    cannonfodder wrote:
    don key wrote:

    Cheer up, all swell with the world Chesea LOST and the Beany boy WON yesterday with the only crash caused by a broken Condor Leggero seat stay which was blessed and cremated on the spot with an old pair of David Millars underpants, we tried using Roberts but the were to stained to burn at crematorial temperatures.

    How did he manage to break a seat stay?

    I see the Wilier SportBeans guy got relegated to 8th place for his antics the other week...

    He didnt know how it broke as it hadnt been forensiced at that stage. it was never crashed ,banged or walloped in it short(1 year) life.Hes about 5 foot seven and 9 stone so weight shouldnt be a problem.

    Andrew, your the one fishing, with the wrong bait.You put forward a view ,one which can be easily argued with on the available evidence, its obvious who made the first move into a space that was likely to cause a crash. By ignoring other points of view completety other than to rubbish there legitimacy and reasoning you are in fact drawing attention to your own evidence, which was originally seen as concrete,"look what he did to me" , so everyone went looking for it and missed what you did altogether .Either that or they thought ,Oh fook i've messed up the forensics so we might as well bludge and bury him and then we'll have no witnesses. Also you mention his origons and that he was? or is? a pro ,none of these things have anything to do with what happened. I have now formulated my own private view of you and your motives but I choose to stick to what you did or didnt do in the space of 5 or 6 seconds 10 days ago.

    MY SAS(silly answers syndrome)tactics is in direct response to your inability to FFF(fully face facts)

    Toks, referring to other views as haters and knockers is descending to Andrews level by making up data .

    His last line is the weakest one of the lot and pretty much proves my point that he has tried to put forward a view that is in fact contradicted by the camera but he also feels the need to have the last word on the subject. I can see this being the longest thread in history.
  • Toks
    Toks Posts: 1,143
    don key wrote:
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    Toks, referring to other views as haters and knockers is descending to Andrews level by making up data .
    Er...to be honest my dig was aimed at those who thought Andrew reacted innapropriately after having crashed - whether that be how Andrew got up from the deck or his response to comments made by a spectator at the time.

    Re the blame you possibly have a point about the gap opening up and yes you could make a case to argue the unpopular view. However, who did the judges see fit to punish? Finally I suggested the guy should say sorry cause ultimately his barge/shove resulted in the crash. If he felt it was an accident or Andrew's fault he should at least say so.
  • jamesblodgett
    jamesblodgett Posts: 22
    Or is it Racing is Rubbing. Either way I am glad you are OK and back on your bike.

    If you are fast enough to race with ex-professionals, though, you need to be a lot less passive in the sprint. "Hold your line" doesn't just mean ride straight; it also means don't let someone force you off your line. If you want that space, you need to be able to stick your head or shoulder on that guy and take it. If you can't sprint with shoulders, elbows and handlebars banging, you shouldn't be contesting the sprint.
    It\'s not how many miles you put in, but what you put into the miles that counts
  • mattm_uk
    mattm_uk Posts: 18
    Andrew, did you have a sense of humour bypass, clearly I was joking when I said you did a Drogba... Hope you're recovering.

    Blimey...
  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    mattm_uk wrote:
    Andrew, did you have a sense of humour bypass, clearly I was joking when I said you did a Drogba... Hope you're recovering.

    Blimey...
    That's certainly not how it read.............maybe stick a smiley in next time :wink: :?:
    It's a Lifestyle! -+-+- Coggan Training Levels
  • mattm_uk
    mattm_uk Posts: 18
    Take your point Bronzie, but do you think, as a biker myself (well I must be to post on here) that I'd honestly laugh at somebody falling off a bike? I used to post loads on the old CyclingPlus site, this is really the first time I've tried the new BikeRadar forums, not a good experience so far.
  • Stephen Sorba
    Stephen Sorba Posts: 1,036
    Cheer up everybody. Here's my clubmate at Chertsey on the 24th. I assure you that both bike and rider are fine....that tree's a bit of a mess though.
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    'e pur si muove
  • jamesblodgett
    jamesblodgett Posts: 22
    Stephen Sorba wrote:
    Cheer up everybody. Here's my clubmate at Chertsey on the 24th. I assure you that both bike and rider are fine....that tree's a bit of a mess though.

    I guess! Takes pretty good whack to rip a tree out by the roots! :wink:
    It\'s not how many miles you put in, but what you put into the miles that counts
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Those are Carbon Sports Lightweight wheels too, that could have been a very expensive crash...
  • don key
    don key Posts: 494
    Is that the big huge dynamo with the beard who crashed into the broken stayed Condor Leggero.
  • Stephen Sorba
    Stephen Sorba Posts: 1,036
    don key wrote:
    Is that the big huge dynamo with the beard who crashed into the broken stayed Condor Leggero.
    Dulwich Paragon, but the De Vere got him after the Rapha boy went down, so the story goes.
    'e pur si muove
  • guyphillips
    guyphillips Posts: 4
    Yes, Dulwich

    The pics are here

    http://www.dgs-photography.co.uk/cyclin ... 08&Index=1

    (page 9) so you can see that the likely reason for the broken seat stay was the De Ver rider using it as a launchpad.

    Until my face was pressed against the Surrey soil I had a pretty good view of events as they unfolded, and felt at the time that the Rapha rider lost control after an exaggerated line thru the chicane which led to an untenable lean at the bottom turn.
  • alan_sherman
    alan_sherman Posts: 1,157
    How was Vaughn (or is it Luff?), the De Vere rider? Looks like he took a flyer and the photo of him laying there doesn't look good.
  • don key
    don key Posts: 494
    guyphillips wrote:
    Yes, Dulwich

    The pics are here

    http://www.dgs-photography.co.uk/cyclin ... 08&Index=1

    (page 9) so you can see that the likely reason for the broken seat stay was the De Ver rider using it as a launchpad.

    Until my face was pressed against the Surrey soil I had a pretty good view of events as they unfolded, and felt at the time that the Rapha rider lost control after an exaggerated line thru the chicane which led to an untenable lean at the bottom turn.

    I meant to say Dulwich ,I cant think where Dynorod came from.

    Adri ,the Condor guy told me when I saw him at the carpark that he heard the stay break and I assumed he meant before the actual prang ,in other words that it was the broken stay that caused it. James was also taking the same line when I asked him if it had happened before.I may be wrong in my thoughts but that is what my ears heard unless we were talking cross purposes. I will follow it up with them soon.
  • guyphillips
    guyphillips Posts: 4
    I'm kinda doubting the mid-turn snap theory, though I could be wrong. If so, you'll never see me on a Condor ever. From my perspective, it was the line thru the bends that caused the fall. But I could be mistaken, as I'd left my snick-o-meter at home that day.

    The De Ver was in a bit of shock for a while i.e. when the pic was taken, but recovered admirably to the best of my knowledge
  • don key
    don key Posts: 494
    for the untenable lean ,what would you give, maybe a nine ?

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