Puerto reopened
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
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I just fell straight on my ass! I'm flabbergasted. In a good way.0
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I told you so.
I bet Valverde isn't so calm tonight eh?
Still, just because the case is being re-opened, this doesn't mean anything will happen, that prosecutions will start.
I know doping isn't a crime in Spain so understood why the case was closed. I'd like to know where all the translated copies of the documents that the UCI was reading have gone, weren't they supposed to act? Or did they never get the copies?0 -
I'm pleased as we might get nearer the truth. It will be interesting to see if cycling continues to take the rap, or will the names of the the other sportsmen (teams) involved be revealed
My worry is that if there is a protracted and drawn out legal process, it will continue to overshadow the Tour and the Giro which will be unfair to those teams and riders that have made a real effort to clean up their act.A col a day keeps the doctor away0 -
Good news. How hard can it be to match bags of blood to athletes? They should DNA test all implicated athletes in ALL sports. Any athlete who's blood was in Fuentes' possession should be banned for life. In my opinion a reduced ban of 2 years should only be considered for athletes who give full confessions of all their doping practises, and full evidence regarding all their doping sources. Maybe then there wouldn't be all the pathetic excuses, "it could have been my unborn twin that no one knew about", or "I had some whisky and beers the night before my solo alpine stage win - that's why my testosterone was so high".
G man
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that is good news...if we are down some more 'big names' like Valverde...who cares...Contador, Hamilton. I feel Tyler will have some explaining to do ...will he tell all eventually when faces with evidence, expose anything at USPS? This could be the gutting this sport needs0
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It is an important moment for the so called 'fight against doping'. Because of the parties campaigning for the reopening of the case being such a wide coalition mostly from outside spain (WADA, UCI, ASO, CONI) I'm hopeful of progress and closure. Hopefully it will implicate all the other sports people on the list too, not just cyclists.
It won't stop cheating or drug taking but it is important that an anti-doping victory is scored here. Allied to improved testing, biological passports and a better whereabouts system it could be a part of an overall jigsaw to make doping more difficult. Let's hope so.
I too am interested in the calmness factor for Alberto and Alejandro. Perhaps we could monitor it with codes similar to the US terrorism alert status ones.........0 -
Still, just because the case is being re-opened, this doesn't mean anything will happen, that prosecutions will start.
The Spanish legal system will take so long to impart any information, that by the time it becomes public knowledge it will be irrelevant! Also because so many Spanish sportsmen will be implicated they will drag their feet.
If the UCI is presented with evidence of drug taking by individual cyclists and teams, what will they do? Nothing, as they have proved in the past. McQuaid will come out with some half ar*ed sob story in support of the poor beleagured sport!I say what I like and I like what I say!0 -
This from cyclingnews.com:
"Puerto investigation to concern Fuentes and Batres only
One day after the Provincial Court of Madrid announced its decision of re-opening the investigation around Operación Puerto, it would seem as if this only concerned the heads of the affair, Doctor Eufemiano Fuentes and his assistant Merino Batres. As a matter of fact, todociclismo reported that the criminal investigation that will now be conducted will only apply to the conservation of the 200 blood bags thought to be used for doping practices.
Under Spanish criminal law, flaws in the handling of the blood bags can be penalised, but not the doping practices themselves. Therefore, the actions of the cyclists, former team manager Manolo Sáiz, Ignacio Labarta, Vicente Belda and others will reportedly not be the target of the re-visited investigation.."0 -
KG wrote:I'm pleased as we might get nearer the truth. It will be interesting to see if cycling continues to take the rap, or will the names of the the other sportsmen (teams) involved be revealed
My worry is that if there is a protracted and drawn out legal process, it will continue to overshadow the Tour and the Giro which will be unfair to those teams and riders that have made a real effort to clean up their act.
Never going to happen. Note the ESPN report mentions cycling only.0 -
iainf72 wrote:
Are you happy it is reopened?
I was/am......but in thinking about it... also in a way feel there will be up and coming young riders at age 20-22 who will not have a team cause of sponsor pull outs and they will quit...perhaps omerta is best...?
What did Jacksche and Sinkewitz confessions do to help?0 -
Dave_1 wrote:]
Are you happy it is reopened? I was/am......but in thinking about it... also in a way feel there will be up and coming young riders at age 20-22 who will not have a team cause of sponsor pull outs and they will quit...perhaps omerta is best...?
What did Jacksche and Sinkewitz confessions do to help?
Giving it's reopened because they're concerned about health issues around how the blood was stored, and the evidence still can't be used for doping cases, it's pretty pointless
Jorg and Pat did themselves out of a job and amused us for a while- That's about it I guess.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
So, given that the judge is to investigate how Fuentes stored the blood, if Fuentes is found to have made handling, will this imply the riders are victims? :roll:0
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Maybe we won't see any progress at all then. Oh well. Next!0
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To be fair, how the blood was stored and public health issues are the only charges under which Fuentes can be held accountable under Spanish law.
But who knows what evidence will emerge and whose names will be definitively linked. A clever lawyer will be able to make any hearing about so much more than whether blood bags were stored correctly.
Prudhomme's decision to exclude Astana is looking ever more prescient. Wonder what will happen when the TdF teams are finally announced...0 -
Ste_S wroteNever going to happen. Note the ESPN report mentions cycling only
It does sayIOC president Jacques Rogge has said he wants the case files to be made public to his organization and any other international federations that request it.
ie the olympic comittee are interested - presumably they are interested in the athletes and other sports as well as just cyclists0 -
mangaman wrote:Ste_S wroteNever going to happen. Note the ESPN report mentions cycling only
It does sayIOC president Jacques Rogge has said he wants the case files to be made public to his organization and any other international federations that request it.
ie the olympic comittee are interested - presumably they are interested in the athletes and other sports as well as just cyclists
Fuentes said to "Diario Marca" last year: We have just 30% cyclist, after that he quoted atheltes, football players and other sportmans
why just journalist talk about cyclist?
It´s not fair, anyway we never are going to know the truth.... cycling is the scapegoat to hide other sports fraud
I thinks that's a very hypocritical attitudeIf you like Flandes, Roubaix or Eroica, you would like GP Canal de Castilla, www.gpcanaldecastilla.com0
