Pro Tour Pundit 2008
The UCI may have cocked up the actual Pro Tour, but fear not, the Bikeradar Pro Tour Pundit is back for another season!
How to Play
For those who have never played before, the concept is an easy one: test your punditry skills against other forum members by correctly picking the riders you think will win the year's most prestigious races (and a few not-so-prestigious races chucked in for good measure).
A few days before an upcoming race, look out for a new thread with a title like "PTP - *Race name*" Just stick your choice in there, and if it's a stage race, make sure to post your stage winners too. You don't have to register or anything like that - if you're a Bikeradar member, you can play PTP.
Calendar
After much procrastination, the races included in this year's competition are:
Points System
I've also tinkered with the points system this year, dispensing of the "class a" and "class b" of single-day races that the UCI used in the past. Okay, I know winning San Sebastian is not the same as winning Paris-Roubaix, but it's less complicated if the points are the same for both races.
The grand tours offer greater rewards for good punditry, but all the other races throughout the season use the same points.
During stage races, there are points awarded for picking daily winners too:
Finally, here's a list of past winners. As you can see, yace is the BR version of Carlos Sastre!
Palmares
How to Play
For those who have never played before, the concept is an easy one: test your punditry skills against other forum members by correctly picking the riders you think will win the year's most prestigious races (and a few not-so-prestigious races chucked in for good measure).
A few days before an upcoming race, look out for a new thread with a title like "PTP - *Race name*" Just stick your choice in there, and if it's a stage race, make sure to post your stage winners too. You don't have to register or anything like that - if you're a Bikeradar member, you can play PTP.
Calendar
After much procrastination, the races included in this year's competition are:
Feb 17-24 - Tour of California
Mar 1 - Het Volk
9-16 - Paris-Nice
12-18 - Tirreno-Adriatico
22 - Milan-San Remo
29-30 - Criterium International
Apr 6 - Tour of Flanders
7-12 - Tour of the Basque Country
9 - Gent-Wevelgem
13 - Paris-Roubaix
20 - Amstel Gold Race
23 - La Fleche Wallone
27 - Liege-Bastogne-Liege
29- 4 - Tour de Romandie
May 10- 1 - Giro d'Italia
Jun 8-15 - Dauphine Libere
14-22 - Tour de Suisse
Jul 5-27 - Tour de France
Aug 2 - Clasica San Sebastian
9 - Olympic RR
13 - Olympic ITT
20-27 - Eneco Tour
29- 6 - Deutschland Tour
30-21 - Vuelta a Espana
Sep 15-21 - Tour of Poland
24 - Worlds ITT
27 - Worlds RR
Oct 12 - Paris-Tours
18 - Giro di Lombardia
Points System
I've also tinkered with the points system this year, dispensing of the "class a" and "class b" of single-day races that the UCI used in the past. Okay, I know winning San Sebastian is not the same as winning Paris-Roubaix, but it's less complicated if the points are the same for both races.
The grand tours offer greater rewards for good punditry, but all the other races throughout the season use the same points.
TdF = Tour de France / G/V = Giro/Vuelta / Reg = Regular season
TdF | G/V | Reg
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1 | 100 | 85 | 50 |
2 | 75 | 65 | 40 |
3 | 60 | 50 | 35 |
4 | 55 | 45 | 30 |
5 | 50 | 40 | 25 |
6 | 45 | 35 | 20 |
7 | 40 | 30 | 15 |
8 | 35 | 26 | 10 |
9 | 30 | 22 | 5 |
10 | 25 | 19 | 2 |
11 | 20 | 16 | |
12 | 15 | 13 | |
13 | 12 | 11 | |
14 | 10 | 9 | |
15 | 8 | 7 | |
16 | 6 | 5 | |
17 | 5 | 4 | |
18 | 4 | 3 | |
19 | 3 | 2 | |
20 | 2 | 1 | |
During stage races, there are points awarded for picking daily winners too:
TdF | G/V | Reg --------------------- 1 | 10 | 8 | 3 | 2 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 1 |
Finally, here's a list of past winners. As you can see, yace is the BR version of Carlos Sastre!
Palmares
2006 2007 ------------------------------------------------------ 1. mangaman 817 1. andyp: 723 2. Dave_1 769 2. andrewgturnbull: 687 3. yace 737 3. yace: 679 4. iainf72 692 4. mangaman: 631 5. Timoid 668 5. laurence: 607 6. andrewgturnbull 665 6. afx237vi: 599 7. MarkM 621 7. Noodley: 592 8. RichN95 568 8. GroupOfOne: 589 9. afx237vi 561 9. Stephen Sorba: 580 10. GroupOfOne 549 10. Greggyr: 573
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Comments
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Ooh, I'm quite excited.
That probably says too much about my life, mind :oops:___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
Afx, you're the man!
I'm going to have to pick the whole thing in advance as I'm away from tomorrow. Oh well.
:?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Whoo-Hoo,April looks really good, always enjoy the Spring Classics
It`s a state of mind.0 -
afx 237......Question????
My ptp post was 17 feb @ 19;48. so can I change my overall now.
STAGE 3 Tomorrow will start the knowledge of who is in contention for GC.
Therefore before the SIERRA ROAD CLIMB a change is possible or not??????Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
deejay wrote:afx 237......Question????
My ptp post was 17 feb @ 19;48. so can I change my overall now.
STAGE 3 Tomorrow will start the knowledge of who is in contention for GC.
Therefore before the SIERRA ROAD CLIMB a change is possible or not??????
After a prologue and two road stages? Naaaah. Hincapie is still in with a shout anyway!0 -
afx237......no problem. it's just something I learned at a young age that...
If you don't ask then you won't know and the worst they can say is "NO"
All will be revealed in San Jose later.
Thanks !Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Richard2205 takes the early lead after an impressive performance in California.
Overall score after the Tour of CaliforniaName Tot ------------------- Richrd2205 63 iainf72 60 avalon 58 skut 58 josd 57 Noodley 57 kmahoney 56 Climber_Andy 56 guv001 56 mangaman 55 thomasmc 55 campagchris 54 drenkrom 53 Dave_1 53 Greggyr 51 RichN95 50 scwxx77 50 GroupOfOne 50 graham56 50 millar time 20 deejay 7 Cheshire_Cat 6 Bronzie 5 victorponf 5 calvjones 4 ContrelaMontre 3 Ridgerider 2 weyayeman 2 Timoid 2 Stephen Sorba 2 afx237vi 0 andyp 0 z000m 0
Next up: Omloop Het Volk (March 1st)0 -
Overall Scores after the Omloop Het Volk
Name Total ---------------------------- kmahoney 106 RichN95 100 josd 72 mangaman 70 thomasmc 70 Richrd2205 63 iainf72 60 avalon 58 skut 58 Noodley 57 Cheshire_Cat 56 Climber_Andy 56 guv001 56 Bronzie 55 campagchris 54 ContrelaMontre 53 Dave_1 53 drenkrom 53 Greggyr 51 afx237vi 50 alanmc1 50 graham56 50 GroupOfOne 50 LangerDan 50 scwxx77 50 sing_for_absolution 50 redddragon 40 millar time 20 deejay 7 victorponf 5 calvjones 4 Ridgerider 2 Stephen Sorba 2 Timoid 2 weyayeman 2 andyp 0 z000m 0
Next up: Paris-Nice (March 9-16)0 -
Another race, another new leader. This time it's iain who takes the lead after a solid performance in P-N. However, he looks unlikely to score big in Tirreno-Adriatico, so we may have yet another new leader in just a few days time.
Overall Scores after Paris-NiceName Total -------------------------- iainf72 110 kmahoney 108 drenkrom 105 scwxx77 103 Greggyr 102 RichN95 100 josd 97 Richrd2 91 skut 88 campagchris 82 LangerDan 81 alanmc1 80 Dave_1 78 GroupOfOne 78 thomasmc 71 mangaman 70 Bronzie 63 avalon 62 Noodley 61 guv001 58 Cheshire_Cat 57 Climber_Andy 56 graham56 56 ContrelaMontre 55 weyayeman 55 afx237vi 52 sing_for_absolution 50 redddragon 41 andyp 36 calvjones 35 Timoid 35 Ridgerider 34 Moomaloid 30 Stephen Sorba 29 archieboy 29 millar time 20 deejay 7 victorponf 5
Full breakdown:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... rHgzOi4tcA
Next race: Milano-San Remo (March 22)0 -
See, I told you iainf72 wouldn't last long :P scwxx77 takes over the leader's jersey, with Bronzie's good performance in Tirreno-Adriatico bumping him up to 2nd.
Overall scores after Tirreno-AdriaticoName Total -------------------------- scwxx77 121 Bronzie 118 iainf72 116 kmahoney 110 drenkrom 107 Greggyr 107 RichN95 103 josd 97 Richrd2205 96 skut 94 LangerDan 86 GroupOfOne 85 campagchris 84 Dave_1 84 alanmc1 80 thomasmc 79 avalon 71 mangaman 70 Noodley 66 guv001 64 Cheshire_Cat 63 graham56 62 redddragon 62 ContrelaMontre 61 weyayeman 61 afx237vi 60 Climber_Andy 56 sing_for_absolution 50 calvjones 43 andyp 42 Ridgerider 42 Timoid 42 Stephen Sorba 35 Moomaloid 30 archieboy 29 millar time 20 deejay 7 victorponf 5 paul27 5
Complete GC breakdown:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... rHgzOi4tcA
Next race: Still Milano-San Remo (March 22)0 -
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Only if I'd picked some winners!redddraggon wrote:Only if I hadn't missed the Tour Of California........
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And iain retakes the lead!
Name Total ------------------------- iainf72 151 josd 137 scwxx77 131 Bronzie 128 GroupOfOne 125 kmahony 120 drenkrom 117 Greggyr 117 Richrd2205 106 skut 104 RichN95 103 weyayeman 101 ContrelaMontre 96 LangerDan 96 campagchris 89 Dave_1 89 thomasmc 89 alanmc1 80 mangaman 80 Cheshire_Cat 73 avalon 71 Noodley 71 afx237vi 70 guv001 64 graham56 62 redddragon 62 Climber_Andy 56 millar time 55 calvjones 53 andyp 52 Ridgerider 52 Timoid 52 sing_for_absolution 50 mm1 50 Moomaloid 40 PutneyJoe 40 Stephen Sorba 35 archieboy 29 victorponf 15 vermooten 10 jimmythecuckoo 10 ian22 10 FixUpLookSharp 10 deejay 7 paul27 5 ricadus 5 Ms Tree 5
Full score breakdown:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... rHgzOi4tcA
Next race: the two-day, three-stage Critérium International (March 29-30)0 -
You can also do a different one at
http://protour.cyclingcompetition.com
or through cycling fever.
You can even design you team's jersey!'Google can bring back a hundred thousand answers. A librarian can bring you back the right one.'
Neil Gaiman0 -
Ms Tree wrote:You can also do a different one at
http://protour.cyclingcompetition.com
or through cycling fever.
You can even design you team's jersey!
But its not half as good as winning bragging rights on the forum.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
scwxx77 retakes the lead...
Overall Scores after the Criterium InternationalName Total ------------------------- scwxx77 181 GroupOfOne 176 josd 172 kmahony 170 drenkrom 167 Richrd2205 158 skut 154 RichN95 153 iainf72 152 Dave_1 139 mangaman 132 LangerDan 131 Bronzie 128 Cheshire_Cat 125 avalon 121 Noodley 121 Greggyr 117 guv001 114 ContrelaMontre 111 Climber_Andy 106 thomasmc 104 andyp 102 weyayeman 101 campagchris 89 afx237vi 86 redddragon 82 alanmc1 0 80 calvjones 68 Timoid 68 archieboy 64 graham56 62 paul27 0 57 millar time 55 Ridgerider 52 Stephen Sorba 51 victorponf 51 mm1 50 sing_for_absolution 50 Moomaloid 40 PutneyJoe 40 Ms Tree 25 FixUpLookSharp 10 ian22 10 jimmythecuckoo 10 vermooten 10 deejay 7 ricadus 5 TakeTheHighRoad 2
Full scores:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... rHgzOi4tcA
Next Race: Tour of Flanders (April 6th)0 -
Another new leader as the favourites, Boonen and Cancellara, flounder in Flanders. This time it's RichN95 at the top, with an 11 point lead over scwxx77.
Overall scores after the Tour of FlandersName Total -------------------------- RichN95 193 scwxx77 181 GroupOfOne 176 josd 172 kmahony 170 drenkrom 167 avalon 161 Richrd2205 158 skut 154 iainf72 152 Dave_1 139 mangaman 132 LangerDan 131 Bronzie 128 Cheshire_Cat 125 Noodley 121 Greggyr 117 guv001 114 ContrelaMontre 111 Climber_Andy 106 archieboy 104 thomasmc 104 andyp 102 weyayeman 101 campagchris 89 Ridgerider 87 afx237vi 86 redddragon 82 victorponf 81 alanmc1 80 calvjones 68 Timoid 68 graham56 62 paul27 57 millar time 55 Stephen Sorba 51 mm1 50 sing_for_absolution 50 Moomaloid 40 PutneyJoe 40 Ms Tree 25 paul_bhoy 20 FixUpLookSharp 10 ian22 10 jimmythecuckoo 10 vermooten 10 deejay 7 ricadus 5 TakeTheHighRoad 2
Full score breakdown:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... rHgzOi4tcA
Next races: Tour of the Basque Country (starting tomorrow) & Gent-Wevelgem (Wednesday)0 -
i have just joined the forum.
can i still join this game?0 -
freddymerckx wrote:i have just joined the forum.
can i still join this game?
Of course. There are threads already running for Gent-Wevelgem and the Tour of the Basque Country.0 -
freddymerckx wrote:i have just joined the forum.
can i still join this game?
I think it's the more the merrier. The current leader does even race bikes, he's a hockey player with quite limited knowledge. He did wear a yellow shirt to work today, though, as befits his status.Twitter: @RichN950 -
haha0
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scwxx77 retakes the lead again - this time stretching his advantage to 38 points! The first two seasons of PTP were quite close right up until Lombardy... are we gonna have a runaway leader instead this year?
Overall scores after Gent-WevelgemName Total ------------------------- scwxx77 231 RichN95 193 LangerDan 181 Bronzie 178 GroupOfOne 176 josd 172 kmahony 170 drenkrom 167 avalon 161 Richrd2205 158 skut 154 thomasmc 154 iainf72 152 campagchris 139 Dave_1 139 mangaman 132 Cheshire_Cat 125 Noodley 121 Greggyr 117 guv001 114 ContrelaMontre 111 Climber_Andy 106 archieboy 104 andyp 102 weyayeman 101 Ridgerider 87 afx237vi 86 redddragon 82 victorponf 81 alanmc1 80 calvjones 68 Timoid 68 graham56 62 paul27 57 millar time 55 Stephen Sorba 51 mm1 50 sing_for_absolution 50 Doobz 50 Moomaloid 40 PutneyJoe 40 Ms Tree 27 paul_bhoy 20 FixUpLookSharp 10 ian22 10 jimmythecuckoo 10 vermooten 10 deejay 7 ricadus 5 TakeTheHighRoad 2
Full GC table:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... rHgzOi4tcA
Next races: Basque Country (running now) & Paris-Roubaix (Sunday)0 -
Scores from the Basque Country are in, and scwxx77 retains his lead - although it is now down to 27 points.
Overall scores after the Tour of the Basque CountryName Total ---------------------------- scwxx77 264 RichN95 237 GroupOfOne 232 josd 226 LangerDan 214 avalon 213 Richrd2205 213 iainf72 210 thomasmc 208 kmahony 206 campagchris 196 Dave_1 189 mangaman 188 Bronzie 180 Noodley 173 Greggyr 172 drenkrom 170 Climber_Andy 168 ContrelaMontre 168 Cheshire_Cat 160 andyp 155 skut 154 weyayeman 153 archieboy 150 afx237vi 139 redddragon 136 Ridgerider 124 graham56 115 guv001 114 millar time 110 paul27 107 victorponf 84 alanmc1 80 Moomaloid 80 Timoid 73 calvjones 71 Arkibal 53 Stephen Sorba 51 Doobz 50 mm1 50 sing_for_absolution 50 PutneyJoe 40 yace 37 Ms Tree 27 paul_bhoy 20 FixUpLookSharp 10 ian22 10 jimmythecuckoo 10 vermooten 10 deejay 7 ricadus 5 TakeTheHighRoad 5 winoneday 2
Full table:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... rHgzOi4tcA
Next race: Paris-Roubaix (in about 12 hours time... yippee!)0 -
RichN95 goes backwards after Roubaix, with GroupOfOne and josd moving to 2nd and 3rd respectively. No trouble for scwxx77 though... his lead is back out to 32 points.
Overall scores after Paris-RoubaixName Total ---------------------------- scwxx77 314 GroupOfOne 282 josd 266 LangerDan 264 iainf72 260 kmahony 256 Richrd2205 253 thomasmc 243 RichN95 242 Bronzie 230 Dave_1 229 mangaman 223 Noodley 223 drenkrom 220 avalon 218 Climber_Andy 218 ContrelaMontre 218 Greggyr 212 campagchris 196 weyayeman 193 redddragon 186 Cheshire_Cat 165 andyp 155 skut 154 archieboy 150 millar time 150 afx237vi 139 alanmc1 130 Ridgerider 124 graham56 115 guv001 114 paul27 107 Stephen Sorba 101 mm1 100 sing_for_absolution 100 Moomaloid 95 calvjones 91 victorponf 84 Timoid 73 Doobz 55 TakeTheHighRoad 55 Arkibal 53 winoneday 52 Brian B 50 Dan67 40 PutneyJoe 40 yace 37 Ms Tree 27 flattythehurdler 25 freddymerckx 20 Mar ge 20 paul_bhoy 20 FixUpLookSharp 10 ian22 10 jimmythecuckoo 10 vermooten 10 deejay 7 ricadus 5 sicrow 5
Full table:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... rHgzOi4tcA
Next race: Amstel Gold (Sunday 20th April)0 -
Why o why did I miss the GC deadline for Pais Vasco?!0
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Another correct prediction from scwxx77 in today's Amstel Gold. For those keeping track, that was the 11th PTP race of the year, and scwxx77's 6th winning prediction. Impressive... and now his lead is out to 68 points. That's an entire race in hand!
Overall scores after Amstel GoldName Total ------------------------ scwxx77 364 josd 296 kmahony 291 GroupOfOne 282 Richrd2205 278 Noodley 273 thomasmc 273 ContrelaMontre 268 RichN95 267 iainf72 265 Dave_1 264 LangerDan 264 drenkrom 255 avalon 253 Climber_Andy 253 mangaman 253 weyayeman 244 Greggyr 242 Bronzie 230 campagchris 226 redddragon 216 andyp 205 Cheshire_Cat 200 paul27 182 afx237vi 179 archieboy 175 alanmc1 165 graham56 165 skut 154 millar time 150 guv001 149 Ridgerider 149 calvjones 141 Stephen Sorba 131 victorponf 119 Timoid 108 Arkibal 103 Brian B 100 mm1 100 sing_for_absolution 100 Moomaloid 95 TakeTheHighRoad 90 yace 87 winoneday 82 flattythehurdler 75 Doobz 55 Dan67 40 PutneyJoe 40 sicrow 35 Monty Dog 35 Ms Tree 27 freddymerckx 20 Mar ge 20 paul_bhoy 20 FixUpLookSharp 10 ian22 10 jimmythecuckoo 10 vermooten 10 deejay 7 ricadus 5
Full scores:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... rHgzOi4tcA
Next race: La Fleche Wallone (Wednesday, 23rd April)0 -
Who's his preparatore?afx237vi wrote:Another correct prediction from scwxx77 in today's Amstel Gold. For those keeping track, that was the 11th PTP race of the year, and scwxx77's 6th winning prediction. Impressive... and now his lead is out to 68 points. That's an entire race in hand! 0 -
i think its time to start wondering how hes so far above the peloton...it just doesnt seem natural...
O.o0
