Eeek, chased by a van driver this morning

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  • Jamey
    Jamey Posts: 2,152
    If you make sure your front brakes squeal loudly anytime you touch them then there's no need to yell at people who walk out in front of you as they automatically get a sonic assault as soon as you spot them.

    Did that to an old woman who tried to cross immediately in front of a stopped bus in Tooting this morning.

    I really must clean my front rims sometime soon. At least I assume that's what's causing the squeaking anyway - I've already got the pads to "toe in" like they say you're supposed to.
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  • cupofteacp
    cupofteacp Posts: 578
    I think you'll find there are a number of laws against it including the trepass law mentioned before, I know it sounds bonkers, but these laws are there to protect us.

    If you "touch" "move" "interfere" with someone else's property you don't know what might happen and as such you're not allowed.

    If you folded in his wing mirror and it fell off, what do you expect to happen next, are you OK with having to pay for a new one?

    If someone undid the zip on you're rucksack or pannier how would you feel?

    and yes I know a lot of motorists are *&(*&(*&(*&
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  • alan_sherman
    alan_sherman Posts: 1,157
    By "the new RLJ" I meant it was similar to the RLJ thing in these ways:

    1) it annoys drivers (the general public) immensely
    2) it is something that some people think is fine, whilst others think it is bang out of order
    3) threads on cycle forums about it could go on for years!


    Personally I can see no justifiable reason to move someone's mirror. Imagine if another cyclist wanted to get past you so they shoved your rear derailler in to get past! "it's all right gov, it's on a spring so I've not done any damage". I reckon most people would feel like chasing someone down the road if it happned to them :!:
  • redvee
    redvee Posts: 11,922
    Years ago I was going down Park Street in Bristol and the traffic stopped. There was room up the inside for me, or so I thought. Hit a mirror and got seven years bad luck by smashing it so done the decent thing and stopped and gave the driver my details so he could come to my place and get a replacement glass. After buying it, I'm still waiting for him to collect it :roll:
    I've added a signature to prove it is still possible.
  • jb2008
    jb2008 Posts: 12
    As I'm guilty of the same offence I'd say you only did what you felt was appropriate at the time and nobody can second-guess that from the comfort of their home.
    It is aggressive and provocative but then so was the other party involved.
    I wouldn't worry about the legal aspects, most people who quote these laws are thinking in absolutes which isn't how the legal system works. It's all shades of Grey.
    Some of the analogies presented are poor: If someone interfered with my bike/clothing/body then yes I'd be unhappy but then if I had already initiated the conflict I wouldn't be surprised!
    The woman who I tangled with was in breach of the highway code whereas your driver just sounds like an arse. Shame you didn't get his details but I can understand why.
    I've since bought a headcam which I recommend.
  • chronyx
    chronyx Posts: 455
    One swift knee in the happy sack and he'll drop like anyone else. :D
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  • Chewy Cheeks
    Chewy Cheeks Posts: 234
    Nice,
    well thought out,
    assault and treatening behaviour ( nice combination by the way ),

    grand idea...........any more humour for us?
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  • jb2008
    jb2008 Posts: 12
    Chewy Cheeks wrote:
    Nice,
    well thought out,
    assault and treatening behaviour ( nice combination by the way ),

    grand idea...........any more humour for us?
    Assault? No.
    Threatening Behaviour? No.
    Humour? Perhaps in the form of 'treatening behaviour'. :D
  • Random Vince
    Random Vince Posts: 11,374
    Eat My Dust wrote:
    alan sherman wrote:
    What is it with people thinking it is ok to fold in wingmirrors on vehicles?

    Is this the new RLJ? :?:

    I wasn't aware that there was a law against folding a wing mirror in! They're designed to do so,

    not all of them my friend...
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  • DavidTQ
    DavidTQ Posts: 943
    Random Vince wrote:
    Eat My Dust wrote:
    alan sherman wrote:
    What is it with people thinking it is ok to fold in wingmirrors on vehicles?

    Is this the new RLJ? :?:

    I wasn't aware that there was a law against folding a wing mirror in! They're designed to do so,

    not all of them my friend...

    And even some of them that are designed to age badly and break rather than fold...
  • Eat My Dust
    Eat My Dust Posts: 3,965
    Was it wrong for me to bang (more of a knock) the side of a car that pulled out this morning as I was filtering past it?

    I did feel a bit guilty as I saw it coming and was in no danger, but the poor(ish) female driver thought she had hit me. She rolled down her window and must have apologised about 10 times. :oops:
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  • damianmc
    damianmc Posts: 30
    If someone undid the zip on you're rucksack or pannier how would you feel?

    Maybe I should write this guy a letter of apology?

    Trying to keep a sense of perspective. If I tried to bully a cyclist whilst driving a van, I'd expect some retaliation. There were probably a few more damaging actions I could have taken than move an articulated wing mirror, thanks for the backup JB2008.

    If this guy had shown some courtesy and road manners, there wouldn't have been a situation.

    I certainly don't believe I was the villain of the piece here. All the talk of legal repercussions and damage to property, sheesh! I still don't think I warranted a potential beating for it.

    Alan, don't agree about the RLJ analogy but agree with point 3, it may be time to step away from the thread!
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 992
    jb2008 wrote:
    As I'm guilty of the same offence I'd say you only did what you felt was appropriate at the time and nobody can second-guess that from the comfort of their home.
    It is aggressive and provocative but then so was the other party involved.
    I wouldn't worry about the legal aspects, most people who quote these laws are thinking in absolutes which isn't how the legal system works. It's all shades of Grey.
    Some of the analogies presented are poor: If someone interfered with my bike/clothing/body then yes I'd be unhappy but then if I had already initiated the conflict I wouldn't be surprised!
    The woman who I tangled with was in breach of the highway code whereas your driver just sounds like an ars*. Shame you didn't get his details but I can understand why.
    I've since bought a headcam which I recommend.

    Not according to th RLJ police on here.

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  • jedster
    jedster Posts: 1,717
    get a sonic assault as soon as you spot them.

    Did that to an old woman who tried to cross immediately in front of a stopped bus in Tooting this morning.

    Nice - scare the life out of an old lady. Can't we just make a few allowances for the elderly?

    J
  • cee
    cee Posts: 4,553
    chronyx wrote:
    One swift knee in the happy sack and he'll drop like anyone else. :D

    Not exactly the most effective method as most blokes expect it to be one of the first actions and is actually quite difficult to get good solid contact with just the 'happy sac' without removing most of the energy by hitting the inside thigh.
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  • Eat My Dust
    Eat My Dust Posts: 3,965
    cee wrote:
    chronyx wrote:
    One swift knee in the happy sack and he'll drop like anyone else. :D

    Not exactly the most effective method as most blokes expect it to be one of the first actions and is actually quite difficult to get good solid contact with just the 'happy sac' without removing most of the energy by hitting the inside thigh.

    It also takes a few seconds for the pain to set in. I had a guy kick me in the "happy sack" (as you call it) outside a pub once. I had enough time to get a better aimed kick to his "happy sack" before I felt a thing!!

    We had a saying at school "you know the rule, guard your tool" charming weren't we!
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  • cee
    cee Posts: 4,553
    Eat My Dust wrote:
    cee wrote:
    chronyx wrote:
    One swift knee in the happy sack and he'll drop like anyone else. :D

    Not exactly the most effective method as most blokes expect it to be one of the first actions and is actually quite difficult to get good solid contact with just the 'happy sac' without removing most of the energy by hitting the inside thigh.

    It also takes a few seconds for the pain to set in. I had a guy kick me in the "happy sack" (as you call it) outside a pub once. I had enough time to get a better aimed kick to his "happy sack" before I felt a thing!!

    We had a saying at school "you know the rule, guard your tool" charming weren't we!

    indeed......that saying may well have been universal as I first heard it in the kingdom of fife, and then in bonny midlothian.

    Much more effective is a quick slap round the chops with a D-Lock
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  • Eat My Dust
    Eat My Dust Posts: 3,965
    cee wrote:
    indeed......that saying may well have been universal as I first heard it in the kingdom of fife, and then in bonny midlothian.

    lol, I went to school in Dunfermline.
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  • Jamey
    Jamey Posts: 2,152
    jedster wrote:
    get a sonic assault as soon as you spot them.

    Did that to an old woman who tried to cross immediately in front of a stopped bus in Tooting this morning.

    Nice - scare the life out of an old lady. Can't we just make a few allowances for the elderly?

    J

    I was pulling up alongside the front of the bus and the first time I saw her was when she stepped out in front of the bus approximately 5 metres in front of me (there was no pedestrian crossing and this was a busy main road in South London she was attempting to cross) so if I'd had more than 0.564 seconds to think about it then maybe I could have applied the brakes without that beastly old squealing noise.

    But if I'm honest, I probably still would've told her to move back and gone around her.

    If it had been a zebra crossing that might have been different but it was just normal bit of (busy) road.
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  • Random Vince
    Random Vince Posts: 11,374
    Eat My Dust wrote:
    cee wrote:
    chronyx wrote:
    One swift knee in the happy sack and he'll drop like anyone else. :D

    Not exactly the most effective method as most blokes expect it to be one of the first actions and is actually quite difficult to get good solid contact with just the 'happy sac' without removing most of the energy by hitting the inside thigh.

    It also takes a few seconds for the pain to set in. I had a guy kick me in the "happy sack" (as you call it) outside a pub once. I had enough time to get a better aimed kick to his "happy sack" before I felt a thing!!

    We had a saying at school "you know the rule, guard your tool" charming weren't we!

    i was working at a youth camp in the summer and got punched in the nuts, i stood up and said

    "ha ha, i am immune to pai... No wait, there it comes" and fell over in pain.
    My signature was stolen by a moose

    that will be all

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  • chronyx
    chronyx Posts: 455
    Random Vince wrote:
    "ha ha, i am immune to pai... No wait, there it comes" and fell over in pain.

    :lol::lol::lol:

    There's no pain quite like it is there :(:(:(:cry:
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  • snooks
    snooks Posts: 1,521
    Jamey wrote:
    jedster wrote:
    get a sonic assault as soon as you spot them.

    Did that to an old woman who tried to cross immediately in front of a stopped bus in Tooting this morning.

    Nice - scare the life out of an old lady. Can't we just make a few allowances for the elderly?

    J

    I was pulling up alongside the front of the bus and the first time I saw her was when she stepped out in front of the bus approximately 5 metres in front of me (there was no pedestrian crossing and this was a busy main road in South London she was attempting to cross) so if I'd had more than 0.564 seconds to think about it then maybe I could have applied the brakes without that beastly old squealing noise.

    But if I'm honest, I probably still would've told her to move back and gone around her.

    If it had been a zebra crossing that might have been different but it was just normal bit of (busy) road.

    It wasn't Mitcham road was it...going from Tooting broadway to tooting mainline?

    Me and the Ex used to nickname it suicide street as it didn't matter whether you were in a bus, or driving a car, peds would always pop out from between busses or just run across the road without looking, just to catch their bus...crazzieeee peeeepol
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  • CyclingBantam
    CyclingBantam Posts: 1,299
    damianmc wrote:
    If someone undid the zip on you're rucksack or pannier how would you feel?

    Maybe I should write this guy a letter of apology?

    Trying to keep a sense of perspective. If I tried to bully a cyclist whilst driving a van, I'd expect some retaliation. There were probably a few more damaging actions I could have taken than move an articulated wing mirror, thanks for the backup JB2008.

    If this guy had shown some courtesy and road manners, there wouldn't have been a situation.

    I certainly don't believe I was the villain of the piece here. All the talk of legal repercussions and damage to property, sheesh! I still don't think I warranted a potential beating for it.

    Alan, don't agree about the RLJ analogy but agree with point 3, it may be time to step away from the thread!
    From reading through this I think you were spot on mate. All the talk of you being in the wrong is ludicrous. From what you have said he tried to block you with a half ton Van. You folded in his wing mirror to et out of his way. IMO many people would have done a lot worse to him. It is very simple for people at home to rationalise what should have happend without actually being in the situation not knowing what was going to happen next. :roll:

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