Which breaks...Juicy / Hayes???

2_Wheel_Adventure
2_Wheel_Adventure Posts: 26
edited February 2008 in MTB buying advice
I am in a process of buying a bike but would like to find out which are the better (overall) brakes out of:

Hayes Hfx-9 Hd Disc Brake with V8 Rotor

and the:

Avid Juicy 3

This is a big factor for me in deciding on the bike.

Cheers
Born to be wild!

Comments

  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    both are a bit poor but i would have to say the Hayes even if they are either on or off in action. The juicy 3's just dont really match up to the 5's or the 7's.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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  • omegas
    omegas Posts: 970
    what are the bikes?

    the juicy 3 is a low end brake but perfectly good

    Hayes 9 HD does not get very good reviews even though its twice the cost of a juicy 3
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  • 2_Wheel_Adventure
    2_Wheel_Adventure Posts: 26
    Well its a choice between Iron Horse Yakuza 2007 model and Iron Horse Yakuza 2008 - there is a difference of £500 between the two models (2007 being cheaper) - and Im stemming towards that one. Saying that the 2007 model is the one with the Hayes breaks - what are the common faults with these breaks?

    cheers
    Born to be wild!
  • 2_Wheel_Adventure
    2_Wheel_Adventure Posts: 26
    nicklouse wrote:
    both are a bit poor but i would have to say the Hayes even if they are either on or off in action. The juicy 3's just dont really match up to the 5's or the 7's.

    Ok - point taken about the hayes - but what aspect of this particular model gets the negative vote?Is it the levers for example?

    cheers
    Born to be wild!
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    all of it imho. but as i said i do not like either.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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  • bluefoam
    bluefoam Posts: 102
    I have Juicy 5's & believe they have the same performance as the 3's.

    In fact I only got the 5's cos the 3's were out of stock. They work well but squeal like crazy in the wet...
  • 2_Wheel_Adventure
    2_Wheel_Adventure Posts: 26
    nicklouse wrote:
    all of it imho. but as i said i do not like either.

    Ok - thanks - although this leaves me in a sticky situation - out of the following spec - which would you opt for???:

    http://www.evanscycles.com/product.jsp? ... gn=froogle

    and:

    http://www.allterraincycles.co.uk/product/110174.html

    F
    Born to be wild!
  • abbots_mike
    abbots_mike Posts: 280
    save the £500 and then upgrade the brakes to something better. there are people on here much better qualified than me to give advice on what!
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  • gthang
    gthang Posts: 293
    have a look at Formula Oro K18, gr8 brakes for the money. I would not buy either of the above.
    My Bike
  • Jimbob_no5
    Jimbob_no5 Posts: 1,568
    i have hayes HFX-9 XC on my coiler and they are absolute crap, sticking pistons is very common with them, and pistons not puching back with new pads, even if the juicy 3's arnt as good id still get them
    Pinkbike

    I believe in only 2 things in life.
    1) Drink is not my friend
    2) D-Locking cnuts ;)
  • jpembroke
    jpembroke Posts: 2,569
    The best breaks? I go for a weekend in Paris.

    The best brakes? I'd go for the Avids.
    I'm only concerned with looking concerned
  • FSR_XC
    FSR_XC Posts: 2,258
    I'd make sure you're happy with the rest of the spec, then get the cheaper bike.

    £500 gets you a lot of brake upgrade and/or other bits.
    Stumpjumper FSR 09/10 Pro Carbon, Genesis Vapour CX20 ('17)Carbon, Rose Xeon CW3000 '14, Raleigh R50

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  • 2_Wheel_Adventure
    2_Wheel_Adventure Posts: 26
    ABBOTS MIKE wrote:
    save the £500 and then upgrade the brakes to something better. there are people on here much better qualified than me to give advice on what!

    I agree - I think the rest of the spec is worth the money and I can always upgrade the brakes at a later date.
    Born to be wild!
  • 2_Wheel_Adventure
    2_Wheel_Adventure Posts: 26
    jpembroke wrote:
    The best breaks? I go for a weekend in Paris.

    The best brakes? I'd go for the Avids.

    I've been to Paris already :lol: couldn't do much DH tho :D:wink:
    Born to be wild!
  • 2_Wheel_Adventure
    2_Wheel_Adventure Posts: 26
    kona_cowan_rider wrote:
    i have hayes HFX-9 XC on my coiler and they are absolute crap, sticking pistons is very common with them, and pistons not puching back with new pads, even if the juicy 3's arnt as good id still get them

    Thanks for the advice - because overall the 2007 iron Horse Yakuza is a better buy - it also means that the Hayes comes with it - but in time to come I will be upgrading them. SO thanks for the warning :)
    Born to be wild!
  • Jimbob_no5
    Jimbob_no5 Posts: 1,568
    no problem, and with £500 to spare you'd be able to upgrade to avid juicy 7's :D
    Pinkbike

    I believe in only 2 things in life.
    1) Drink is not my friend
    2) D-Locking cnuts ;)
  • papasmurf.
    papasmurf. Posts: 2,382
    yeah use the saving to buy some oro k24 brakes and put the haynes on ebay.
    Meta5.5
    Duster
  • 2_Wheel_Adventure
    2_Wheel_Adventure Posts: 26
    papasmurf. wrote:
    yeah use the saving to buy some oro k24 brakes and put the haynes on ebay.

    Do you know of any good on-line dealers for these brakes?
    Born to be wild!
  • liam333
    liam333 Posts: 189
    I have an HFX 9 I do agree with the people who say it is on/off feeling, but to be fair they are really powerful for a simple brake.
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  • wop
    wop Posts: 41
    I've had hayes nines on two bikes now and put them on my orange five with no problems!

    I don't get why people slate them constantly!

    As for a bit on/off ,try bleeding your brakes! (not that i had any problems with modulation before)

    I've tried avid 5's and 7's and found them crap - get formula k24 or megas if you've got the cash!
  • nathanst170
    nathanst170 Posts: 75
    wop
    i have a set of hayes nine and the piston keeps sticking
    do you do anything to yours ? :)
  • 2_Wheel_Adventure
    2_Wheel_Adventure Posts: 26
    wop wrote:
    I've had hayes nines on two bikes now and put them on my orange five with no problems!

    I don't get why people slate them constantly!

    As for a bit on/off ,try bleeding your brakes! (not that i had any problems with modulation before)

    I've tried avid 5's and 7's and found them crap - get formula k24 or megas if you've got the cash!

    Hey - a positive comment about Hayes :D finally a boost of confidence for me.
    Born to be wild!
  • papasmurf.
    papasmurf. Posts: 2,382
    2_Wheel_Adventure wrote:
    papasmurf. wrote:
    yeah use the saving to buy some oro k24 brakes and put the haynes on ebay.

    Do you know of any good on-line dealers for these brakes?


    Merlin have the K18s for 129, have them myself and can't recommend them enough. they also have soem good deals on other brands
    Meta5.5
    Duster
  • BenFeh
    BenFeh Posts: 1
    www.kompressor-bike.com - K24s €251 with 180mm rotors. I've ordered a set.
  • Brugles
    Brugles Posts: 20
    Like others have suggested, I'd go for the '07 bike too. I just bought a 2007 Norco Six 2 to replace my cross country bike with something more fun. That came with Juicy 3's. I upgraded to Avid Code's which I got mega cheap on eBay from the states.

    £500 would allow you to do quite a bit of upgrading, especially if you don't ride the existing components and sell them on as new on eBay.
  • wop
    wop Posts: 41
    nathanst170 wrote:
    wop
    i have a set of hayes nine and the piston keeps sticking
    do you do anything to yours ? :)

    This happened a couple of times after going for really wet rides and leaving the bike alone for a week.
    A guy at my lbs told me to push the pistons back after wet rides, easy!
    What happens is the piston bit corrodes,wont go back in and gets worse and worse until its shagged!
    Most lbs should be able to service them... for a price!

    Try this - but dont quote me on it...

    Take the pads out,
    spray a load of disc brake-cleaner in there,
    leave it for a bit,
    wipe the excess,
    put the pads back-in
    gently push the piston pads back with a suitable impliment (spanner, handle of a kitchen knife...)
    put the wheel back on and do up the q.r.
    pull the leaver and repeat until it frees up.

    Basically jack the pistons in and out until it it stops sticking.

    I tried gt85 instead of brake-cleaner once or twice - BUT DO NOT get it on any pads/discs/braking surfaces! And wipe any excess off.
  • heez29
    heez29 Posts: 612
    papasmurf. wrote:
    2_Wheel_Adventure wrote:
    papasmurf. wrote:
    yeah use the saving to buy some oro k24 brakes and put the haynes on ebay.

    Do you know of any good on-line dealers for these brakes?


    Merlin have the K18s for 129, have them myself and can't recommend them enough. they also have soem good deals on other brands

    Go to CRC i got them for £106 200mm front rotor, 180mm rear.

    Hopefully will come tomorrow :D
  • ash1984
    ash1984 Posts: 56
    I think I'm too late but for what its worth mabys worth giving the new Stroker Trail a try, they seem to be picking up a bit of attention from MTB press although that doesnt always mean much.

    Don't touch the Ryde version as they are meant to be a whole different ball game - ie crap.

    Ash
  • pedal_power
    pedal_power Posts: 3
    Just resurrecting this topic... i'm looking for new brakes as well.

    Brugles - how did you get on with the Avid Codes?
    Ash1984 - Hayes Stroker?

    I know ur bound to say they're good but good points/bad points?

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