tubeless tyres

nathanst170

I WAS WONDERING IF ANY ONE COULD RECOMEND A GOOD XC TUBLESS TYRE FOR RIDEING ON CANNOCK CHASE BECAUSE I AM NEW TO TUBELESS AND THIS WOULD BE A GREAT HELP :?
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Sir HC

Turn the caps lock key off, people see it as shouting.

Splasher

Maxxis Ignitor LUST 2.1 or 2.35 to suit your bike.

Anonymous

http://www.ukbikesdepot.com/products.php?plid=m9b0s120p489

Try these. Trailraker Tubeless.

Splasher

Trailrakers are overkill for Cannock IMO and will need changing again in Spring, Ignitors can stay on all year round.

nathanst170

sorry for shouting (newbee)

artillerydave

Most of the continental UST tyres are pretty good, I'm using 2.4 mountain king UST and they are superrb for mixed condition riding.

nathanst170

Splasher
thanks for reply
are these a fast rolling tyre that i would be happy with all year?
i have also been recomended pannerar fire xc`s?

nathanst170

artillerydave
will these be ok on my hardtail 8)
will i have to use sealant i am running mavic 819`s?

Splasher

nathanst170 wrote:

Splasher
thanks for reply
are these a fast rolling tyre that i would be happy with all year?
i have also been recomended pannerar fire xc`s?

They're the best compromise UST tyre I've found. By that I mean that they are not brilliant at anything but neither are they terrible. That may not sound very good but the reality is most tyres are terrible at something.

So they roll better and faster than Panaracer XC Pros, Trailrakers etc. but not as good as Racing Ralphs

But they work in mud better than the Ralphs, as good as XC Pros but not as good as the Trailrakers

But unlike the Ralphs, the sidewalls won't tear the first time you hit a rock garden and full chat.

I use them front and back on the Reign in 2.35 for everything except the Alps, and I use a 2.1 on the front of the hardtail all year round swapping the rear between a Medusa or a High Roller in winter and a Larsen TT in the summer (for low rolling resistance).

nathanst170

Splasher
thanks mucho appre
i take it you are a maxis fan

Splasher

Yes and no really. Before I went tubeless I used Panaracer, Kenda, Schwalbe etc.

Since going tubeless though, I find you have to shop very carefully or you get a poor choice with a very heavy casing. Maxxis do a UST version of most of their tyres (although some a very heavy still) but the LUST ones are on a par with standard tyres.

I used to use Panaracer Cinder 2.25s (800g) with 150g tubes, I now use 2.35 LUST Ignitors (800g) with 50g of Stans sealant for the thorns - saving 100g.

The other thing is that they seat really easy on XM819 rims (the last one went on with one hand on the track pump while I held the wheel with the other.

prophet_1000

Hi nathanst170

As Splasher says Ignitors are the way to go, they don't look much but grip like mad, I have 819's on my bike and I run a Maxxis 2.35 UST HighRoller 42a SuperTacky on the front and a Panaracer UST Fire XC Pro 2.1 on the rear BUT can't wait for the rear to wear out so I can get another Maxxis tyre for the rear, Either HighRoller 2.1 UST 60a OR Igniter? not sure yet I will see when the time eventually comes.

As you well know Cannock is not the best surfaced trail in the country with lots of pebbles in the trail, the XC Pros are a little sketchy I find at Cannock, but Maxxis tread and edge tread seem to inspire more confidence!

Hope this Adds a little weight to your decision?

nathanst170

prophet_1000
do you use a sealant too?
and would i do well to use it?
and finaly any tips in useing it to :P

Gavin C

What kit do you need to convert to tubeless...
new eg ignitor tyres, sealant....anything else.
What other actions do you need to do eg to your wheels to convert

I run xc717 wheels currently with 2.1 panaracer xcs and was wondering if it was worth making the switch to tubeless
Generally a fair(ish) weather rider keen on likes of Afan

Would the Ignitors be a good choice if I went down this route

Thanks
G

prophet_1000

nathanst170 wrote:

prophet_1000
do you use a sealant too?
and would i do well to use it?
and finaly any tips in useing it to :P

I don't use sealant as well, although there is nothing to stop you from doing so. I have never needed to as I have only had one puncture in almost three years of riding tubeless, and that was really slow. (unlike a tube which stretches under pressure and lets air out fast, tyres don't stretch enormously when under pressure and therefore will go down slowly if punctured)

Gavin C

I have never converted to tubeless so not the best person to advise you on this, BUT if you do a search on this FORUM (not Bikeradar search) I have seen this Question asked a number of times, with loads of answers of how and what you will need PLUS which is the best to use.

I like my HighRoller on the front if I'm honest and will probably get one for the rear to, but the Ignitor was also very good, I have never ridden Afan so can't comment on the suitability of this tyre for that trail, sorry mate!

Hope this helps?

Splasher

Gavin,

I have two bikes running tubeless, one has tubeless rims, the other has converted XC717s. I used a kit by a company called Eclipse who make DT Swiss tubeless kits which I bought from JustRidingAlong.

The reason I chose this over Stans or Joes is that the valve is separate from the rim strip and so if I ever split a tyre and need to put a tube in, I can remove the valve without having to remove the rim strip. The kit comes with all you need to do one wheel including a small pot of sealant.

Theoretically non UST tyres can be used with these kits. The sealant not only sits waiting for puncures, it also makes the tyre airtight in the first place (normal tyres aren't air tight). However, I struggled to get a normal tyre to seat and when I did get it seated it subsequently blew off the rim so I bought a UST tyre and have never looked back.

nathanst170

Splasher
are you useing sealant on your ust rims and are you useing the mavic valve aswell :?
and are the ust tyres easier to seat when going tubeless than none tubless perciffic?

cjw

I'm using sealant on Mavic UST rims as without I did got a few punctures with UST tyres . They seat pretty easily but often need to use C 02 for the first inflate.

artillerydave

to clear things up UST tyres on either UST rims or converted rims to run tubeless are much easier to inflate and hold air than non tubeless tyres. The beads are much tighter so you may have more difficulty getting them on the rim in the first place but once on a track pump is usually sufficient to get thm inflated.

Using UST tyres means sealant is only required if you want to add a bit of extra puncture protection as well it is not required to seal or seat the tyre. Personally I use Continental Mountain king UST 2.4s, DT swiss 455 rims, DT swiss tubeless kits and the added DT swiss sealant in each wheel. Light, tough, hold air great and excellent traction / grip.

Splasher

nathanst170 wrote:

Splasher
are you useing sealant on your ust rims and are you useing the mavic valve aswell :?
and are the ust tyres easier to seat when going tubeless than none tubless perciffic?

Sorry for the delay, I use sealant in bot set-ups (XM819UST rim and XC717+kit). Don't need to because I use UST tyres which are airtight, but do to provide thorn protection. Works really well.

Crayfish

I took my Spesh Stumpy tubeless with S-Works The Captain 2.0" UST's and Stans.

Never looked back - an amazing set up. The rims are DT Swiss 4.2's. Not UST rims but I used Stans rim strips and sealant. Go tubeless - it is great - saves you weight, punctures, grief.

Now listen carefully - this will save you big time if you live in the UK:

Buy your tubeless stuff from Freeborn - they are MUCH cheaper than other bike retailers as they import directly from Stan The Man.

And watch the video on Stans Notubes Help site - www.help.notubes.com

This will save you time and money like you cannot believe - I've been there and got the T-shirt I promise.

PS I don't work for Stan or Freeborn. Just appreciate quality when I come into contact with it.

PPS I want to do the same on my other bike with XC717's and Continental Explorer 2.1" UST's - anyone have any advice???