Glasses - help or hindrance?

BentMikey

Doh! You must know something I don't. Just remind us, why do you need to resort to personal attacks to strengthen your argument for helmets? It's very convincing!!!

always_tyred

BentMikey wrote:

Doh! You must know something I don't. Just remind us, why do you need to resort to personal attacks to strengthen your argument for helmets? It's very convincing!!!

Yes, its becoming a bit of a tit for tat. Party A calls party B a religionist helmet user (despite carefully set out arguements for their personal choice) party B calls party A arrogant, blah. PArty A calls party C selfish for wearing a helmet, blah, blah...

Lets take it down a notch or two.

I think there's a desire on many parts to get people to see the other side.

So here it is; I get why you don't wear a helmet. I don't disagree, for you. The thing I personally disagree with are the argument that somehow I'm damaging the cycling community for wearing one.

I don't see that you recognise the decision to wear one - I banged my head, decided to wear a helmet from then on. Got into the habit because it was a legal requirement where I lived,banged my head again and was thankful for it.

That's not uninformed, its not arbitrary, its not dogma and its not "religionist". That is just as personal to me or anyone else when said in response to a set of personal experiences.

Elsewhere I've set out a couple of arguments to you that I do not intend to be personal. What I intend by them is to set out that there is a bit of a double standard going on, to highlight the pattern of ignoring anything that's inconvenient to the counter arguement.

Yes, absolutely both sides of the arguments can be culprits in this, but I'm afraid this does include you (collective).

BentMikey

I didn't intend that as a personal attack, but as a description of your unswerving and blind faith in helmets. And given the counter-evidence you ignore, it really does mean you have faith.

The difference is that I'm quite happy to acknowledge the numerous case studies that predict helmet efficacy as well as the studies that are critical of helmets, whilst you won't admit helmets have any negative effects at all.

Belv

I clicked on page 7 of this thread to learn whether glasses had been decided as a help or hinderance!

FatBurt

Glasses are a help


Helmets are ambiguous

always_tyred

BentMikey wrote:

I didn't intend that as a personal attack, but as a description of your unswerving and blind faith in helmets. And given the counter-evidence you ignore, it really does mean you have faith.

The difference is that I'm quite happy to acknowledge the numerous case studies that predict helmet efficacy as well as the studies that are critical of helmets, whilst you won't admit helmets have any negative effects at all.

Ah, we are getting somewhere.

No - I do agree. For example, the torque effect from a glancing blow. There's no disadvantage to evolution, and we might be looking at very different helmets in a few years, that put present ones to shame. I hope so!

I also understand that helmets provide an additional barrier to cycling. I'm dubious that its because it makes people think cycling is more dangerous, primarily because I really struggle with those survey based studies. But I'm honestly unqualified to form a judgement.

I think that the main deterrent is the "dork factor". Lets face it, helmets look pretty daft. Lycra can be quite off putting too, I think.

So I'd argue that if all cyclists wear helmets, no one takes any notice, and the barrier fades. I honestly think that's happening. Again, I hope so.

always_tyred

Belv wrote:

I clicked on page 7 of this thread to learn whether glasses had been decided as a help or hinderance!

Oh, yeah, I don't think that was an issue past page 2. Sorry about that. Hell of a cycle helmet debate going on though.

Wear glasses. Take em off if they fog up. Don't run with scissors.

david2

I had to get my first pair of reading glasses a couple of months ago. Since I started using them I find I need them every time I need to read. I managed fine before I got them.

Don't need them for cycling as my distance vision is still fine.

cjw

Always Tyred wrote:

Belv wrote:

I. Don't run with scissors.

According to these statistics, scissors have lower accident rate as toilets and are far far safer than bikes (the figures are number of injuries associated with the item in 1995, 1996, 1997 from the USA;

Home workshop equipment:
Saws (hand or power) 87,397 89,786 79,854
Hammers 43,157 44,828 41,518
Household packaging and containers:
Household containers and packaging 185,725 184,240 184,097
Bottles and jars 87,760 84,785 81,116
Bags 20,473 25,366 21,060
Housewares:
Knives 455,657 444,604 435,276
Tableware and flatware 105,995 108,869 107,963
Scissors 32,026 30,342 30,290
Waste containers, trash baskets, etc 28,437 25,862 26,686
Bathtubs and showers 156,749 163,286 164,749
Ladders 138,894 151,327 143,297
Sofas, couches, davenports, etc 115,037 109,954 107,812
Carpets, rugs 125,267 123,775 98,693
Toilets 43,687 42,563 44,335
Mirrors, mirror glass 22,451 22,135 22,623
Electric lighting equipment 22,905 22,345 22,067
Sinks 19,603 22,876 20,420
Home structures, construction: 2
Stairs or steps 978,911 984,300 914,887
Floors or flooring materials 1,012,282 987,385 841,022
Other doors (excl. garage) 323,671 318,185 326,148
Ceilings and walls 239,654 228,431 238,066
Household cabinets, racks, and shelves 217,183 221,458 222,621
Nails, screws, tacks, or bolts 198,849 191,037 165,623
Windows 148,906 138,875 131,333
Porches, balconies, open-side floors 124,539 122,343 114,287
Fences or fence posts 112,886 114,055 110,731
Handrails, railings, or banisters 38,852 39,299 34,421
Glass doors 44,916 40,058 33,952
General household appliances:
Refrigerators 26,731 26,376 25,133
Ranges 32,017 31,463 23,587
Heating, cooling equipment: 3
Pipes (excl. smoking pipes) 29,683 31,034 26,926
Home entertainment equipment:
Televisions 36,959 35,023 37,401
Sound recording equipment 4 20,209 20,189 22,086
Personal use items:
Footwear (NA) 86,217 75,804
Jewelry 50,937 53,854 54,720
Razors and shavers 36,327 40,242 40,773
Hair grooming equipment and accessories 26,207 25,486 24,974
Coins 24,787 27,620 24,755
Yard and garden equipment:
Lawn mowers 74,582 71,912 60,804
Pruning, trimming, and edging equipment 36,091 36,204 32,217
Chain saws 31,356 35,132 29,684
Sports and recreation equipment:
Bicycles 586,808 566,085 544,561
Trampolines 66,174 83,399 82,722
Swings or swing sets 83,748 82,882 73,923
Playground climbing equipment 76,744 74,588 71,828
Swimming pools 78,336 72,933 62,812
All-terrain vehicles 62,400 63,600 55,400
Skateboards 30,353 35,751 48,186
Slides or sliding boards 47,832 45,792 45,767
Sleds 51,557 34,426 26,067

Gr.uB

I love my Optilabs. Their transition lenses are excellent. I cycle at night and during the day so it is so much easier not having to change glasses or lens. I am sending off my old Specialized glasses to have the lens copied for just prescription sunglasses for the car.

Optilabs get a big thumbs up from me

Today as it was raining I wore a cap underneath my lid and it kept my specs nice and clean and smear free.

Wooliferkins

We need Elton John glasses with the screen wipers circa late 70s. Off to find the student with the what do you want me to invent thread!!