Chain sets

Mike Willcox
Mike Willcox Posts: 1,770
edited January 2008 in Workshop
Just got a chain set through an internet order. No bottom bracket.

According to the retailer all a chain set consists of is the crank arms and chain rings. However on the box set it states "crank set". Personally I feel I've been misled and have got to send the item back. Hopefully I will get a full refund but I'm out of pocket on P & P.

The retailer maintains that all other retailers describe them in the same way and tells me that I am wrong.

Will anyone like to tell me what you would call a collection of: Crank arms/Chain rings/Bottom bracket. and then tell me what you would call a collection of Crank arms/Chain rings?

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  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Mike Willcox wrote:
    Will anyone like to tell me what you would call a collection of: Crank arms/Chain rings/Bottom bracket. and then tell me what you would call a collection of Crank arms/Chain rings?

    Crank arms/Chain rings/Bottom bracket. - Chainset and bottom bracket?

    Crank arms/Chain rings - Chainset?

    I've never assumed they would come with a BB, unless it was something like Ultra-Torque or shimano equivalent, where the cups come with the chainset.
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  • aracer
    aracer Posts: 1,649
    I agree with Reddragon and the retailer - have never got a BB with a chainset (though the bearings did come on my Campag UT, but that's specified, and you still have to buy the cups). Certainly for anything other than an integrated crank where the axle is permanently attached to one of the cranks you don't get any part of the BB with a chainset.

    What chainset is it?
  • SDP
    SDP Posts: 665
    if you started including BB imagine no of variants you would have

    ENG/IT BB's
    170/172.5/175 cranks
    52/39, 53/39, 52/42 etc etc...

    the retailer is right ...

    crankset is arms/rings..
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  • Mike Willcox
    Mike Willcox Posts: 1,770
    Campagnolo Record

    The box states it is a "CRANK SET". If you guys are right then by the same token Campagnolo are wrong. From a purely "definition" point of view my money is on Campagnolo.

    On the other hand perception is a different thing and I am incorrect. So be it. Lesson learned never assume anything.
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Is it one of the Ultra Torque Record chainsets?
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  • meagain
    meagain Posts: 2,331
    I'd never expect a "crank set" to include a bottom axle/bracket, other than one of these 'ere new fangled all-in-one jobbies.
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  • Mike Willcox
    Mike Willcox Posts: 1,770
    The box just states Campagnolo record 105 Crankset.
  • Mike Willcox
    Mike Willcox Posts: 1,770
    meagain wrote:
    I'd never expect a "crank set" to include a bottom axle/bracket, other than one of these 'ere new fangled all-in-one jobbies.

    Neither would I. But I did expect a "Chain Set" to include BB.

    Get it right why don't you?
  • SDP
    SDP Posts: 665
    chain set ?? no chain either ??? you been ripped of mate... :wink:
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  • aracer
    aracer Posts: 1,649
    Mike Willcox wrote:
    meagain wrote:
    I'd never expect a "crank set" to include a bottom axle/bracket, other than one of these 'ere new fangled all-in-one jobbies.

    Neither would I. But I did expect a "Chain Set" to include BB.

    Get it right why don't you?
    Which implies you don't understand normal usage of terms. Personally I reckon you're doing well to get rings if the box is labelled as "crankset", since the standard difference between those two term is the inclusion of rings.
  • Mike Willcox
    Mike Willcox Posts: 1,770
    aracer wrote:
    Mike Willcox wrote:
    meagain wrote:
    I'd never expect a "crank set" to include a bottom axle/bracket, other than one of these 'ere new fangled all-in-one jobbies.

    Neither would I. But I did expect a "Chain Set" to include BB.

    Get it right why don't you?
    Which implies you don't understand normal usage of terms. Personally I reckon you're doing well to get rings if the box is labelled as "crankset", since the standard difference between those two term is the inclusion of rings.

    What is this?

    I didn't realise that you have to be a total muppet to answer posts on this part of the forum. Another lesson learned.
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    I think chainset/crankset can mean whatever the manufacturers want it to be.

    Look at "frameset", this could be frame/forks or frame/forks/seatpost/stem or any variation in between.
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  • meagain
    meagain Posts: 2,331
    Ah, good ol' fashioned politeness.

    I shall be sure not to offend your sensitivities in future.

    "Neither would I. But I did expect a "Chain Set" to include BB.

    Get it right why don't you?"

    Except, just for the record, I wouldn't expect a CHAIN set to either. Possibly an age thing!
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  • Down the Road
    Down the Road Posts: 949
    Serves you right for buying on Line. Your local dealer would have explained it all to you and may have fit it for free as well.

    These are a specialist piece of kit and MUST be fitted by a Professionally trained mechanic to get the best out of the product
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  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Down the Road wrote:
    These are a specialist piece of kit and MUST be fitted by a Professionally trained mechanic to get the best out of the product

    No, they don't. It's easy.

    It's pretty obvious you work in/own a bike shop.
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  • Mog Uk
    Mog Uk Posts: 964
    Down the Road wrote:

    These are a specialist piece of kit and MUST be fitted by a Professionally trained mechanic to get the best out of the product

    Heh ? :shock:

    With the correct tools anybody can do this, I often swap from Compact to Regular and I'm far from a 'Professionally trained mechanic'
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  • Mike Willcox
    Mike Willcox Posts: 1,770
    meagain wrote:
    Ah, good ol' fashioned politeness.

    I shall be sure not to offend your sensitivities in future.

    "Neither would I. But I did expect a "Chain Set" to include BB.

    Get it right why don't you?"

    Except, just for the record, I wouldn't expect a CHAIN set to either. Possibly an age thing!

    No I've always been intolerant of muppets who are unable to be accurate when they are criticising someone else.

    Oh and thank you. Musn't be impolite.
  • meagain
    meagain Posts: 2,331
    Criticising? No, simple statement. If you want criticism, I could do it, but I really can't be bothered.

    OTOH, call me a muppet again for no good reason and I might just be. Bothered that is, in case you have difficulty with linkage.
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  • Mike Willcox
    Mike Willcox Posts: 1,770
    meagain wrote:
    Criticising? No, simple statement. If you want criticism, I could do it, but I really can't be bothered.

    OTOH, call me a muppet again for no good reason and I might just be. Bothered that is, in case you have difficulty with linkage.

    Bother away. How about Tosser? Is that more appropriate?
  • Mog Uk
    Mog Uk Posts: 964
    :lol: @ you 2....

    Would be easier just to get a room you know.... :lol:
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  • aracer
    aracer Posts: 1,649
    Mike Willcox wrote:
    I didn't realise that you have to be a total muppet to answer posts on this part of the forum. Another lesson learned.
    I'd suggest that you only have to be a muppet to start a thread whinging about your own failure to check exactly what you were buying, but that would be insulting to Kermit.
  • Mike Willcox
    Mike Willcox Posts: 1,770
    aracer wrote:
    Mike Willcox wrote:
    I didn't realise that you have to be a total muppet to answer posts on this part of the forum. Another lesson learned.
    I'd suggest that you only have to be a muppet to start a thread whinging about your own failure to check exactly what you were buying, but that would be insulting to Kermit.

    As Campagnolo agree with me about what is and what is not a Chain/Crank Set re what is written on the box I don't need any justification for asking other's opinions on the subject.

    On the other hand I had already conceded in an earlier post that perception and strict accuracy of description were two different things and I was moving on.

    What sort of racer are you by the way? Toy motor cars? Old grannies perhaps? I know you have a racing bike so that makes you a racer. :D
  • proto
    proto Posts: 1,483
    I must admit that I've never assumed that a chainset/crankset would be supplied with a BB unless specifically metioned in the sales blurb. You just get the crank arms, chainrings, and crank bolts, and that's it.

    It get a bit murkier with the new integrated/external bearing type chainsets. I believe that FSA and Truvative for example, supply everything you need, including the external bearing cups. Campagnolo, however, and possibly others, sell the cups as a separate item.

    And sadly, nobody sells sells a chainset with the required tools for assembly/dis-assembly, which in my book is piss poor.
  • aracer
    aracer Posts: 1,649
    proto wrote:
    And sadly, nobody sells sells a chainset with the required tools for assembly/dis-assembly, which in my book is wee-wee poor.
    You don't get a set of allen keys and a torque wrench with other bicycle parts. The only possible complaint therefore is that the tools are more specialist. Given Campag for instance do specify that only a professional should install their parts, the assumption is that said professional doesn't need a set of tools with every one they install (what is rather more poor is that they don't sell the tools for replacing UT bearings at all - then again they'd undoubtedly be rather expensive if they did).

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